Serious Islam in Europe

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  1. Dr.Towers

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    Why that guy looks like he's about to stick an axe into you head while pillaging the east coast of England during the 7th century?
     
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    I don't know mate, have a look at the earlier pages of the thread.

    Yeah, it's just like that.
    Yet, they're still able to maintain that Arabic culture really well.
    Then again, in the area where I live it's mainly expats that you see.
    Jumeirah, and Dubai mall feels more even in the ratio.

    Yep, he calls me delusional, and refuses to read or talk.
    Yet, apparently, it's me shutting him down.

    This is one of the threads I'm probably most serious about, regardless of the fact I'm not Islamic, nor from an Islamic country.
    Coming from somebody who has lived in UAE for 17 years, I speak for essential every expat as well. In fact, I've lived in Singapore for a year as well, and the transition is purely getting to know how to get around the country, otherwise, there are no cultural shocks, nothing.
    People have some sort of false impression that they get from god knows where.
    They're just like you, in fact, underage drinking exists here, people have been caught, and they're let off with a warning.
    Many people here who follow Islam drink, they enjoy the classic night out. They blast music with profanity at raves.

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    Nobody is going to shove Sharia law down your face.
    If you want to retain a predominantly white country, then in reality you are delusional.
    Mature yourself if you feel troubled when you see people of colour outside your house.
    Hell, I can guarantee you your country will always be predominantly white.
    I haven't been blown up by anybody
    It's so dumb to make ISIS a representation of Islam.
    There has literally been only one terrorist attack recently in the UAE, Abu Dhabi. That was two years ago, and one death.
    Imagine the Islamic folk whose homes are being attacked far more often that the western nations by these terrorist groups, and then you have people online blurt out big fat memes like "ISIS represents islam"
     
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    I mean that's already a thing. There's been Sharia courts operating within the borders of the UK without any state interference for a while now.

    If someone were to want an ethnostate, that would make them a racialist. They'd likely be a fascist if this were the case. However, I don't see anyone explicitly saying that brown people should be forbidden from entering the country, just that religion has played a large part in cultural degradation of developing nations, as it had done in Europe back in the 16th century.

    Because they are a representation of Islam. A very fundamentalist, literal, and extreme representation of Islam. They obviously don't account for every single Muslim on the planet, or even the majority. But to say that they aren't related to the religion at all is just false.

    Yes, because zealotism took priority over reasonable thinking for these terror groups. It's sad to hear that people in Damascus, Baghdad, Raqqa and etcetera have had to deal with these groups for a long period of time, and the actions of these groups has lead to the deaths of thousands.
     
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    I don't wanna derail the thread but ethnostates seem to be totally fine if you're of a certain religion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    A UK court recently recognised it too iirc
     
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    God I love religion dictating law rather than an agreed upon set of principles used to protect the public and their welfare.
     
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    welcome to the 1400s
     
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    Huh, not that bad. Though really under any circumstances a marriage ceremony should be accompanied by civil registration of the union, avoids any red tape or loop-holing.
     
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    There's giant ceremonial emblem in courts above a judge that has a coat of arms with the words 'Dieu et mon doit'

    It's latin for 'God and my right hand.'

    It's also on military uniforms in the UK.
     
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    It's not a thing, you're not having the sharia law forced onto you. I checked it out, and it's for Islamic residents in the UK, irrelevant to you. I'd assume there is no interference because there are no problems. One of their uses is for Islamic marriage documents etc. The second the word Sharia is put on the label, people lose their shit. These UK courts don't enact Sharia criminal penalties.

    In this day and age, you're not going to lose your culture from multiculturalism. Toronto, Singapore, Dubai, all of which are examples of multiculturalism, and you don't see culture lost there. UK will always be predominantly white, and your people of color aren't mainly comprised of Islamic people, they include Indians, South-East Asians, so lets not assume they are all Pakistani. Regardless, you shouldn't believe in predominantly x race societies, it's stupid thinking.

    I can see where you're coming from, but they are not literal. They enact crimes that are forbidden in the Quran. Yes, they are related, but they are not a representation. Muslim countries do not recognize ISIS as a representation of Islam. It's like saying the IRA was a representation of Catholicism, its not, nor did the catholic church recognize the IRA as a representative figure.

    It's a shame.
     
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    There's been cases of people trying to convert away from Islam only to be ridiculed and even presented in a Sharia court for doing so. Personally, I'm not a Muslim, this wouldn't effect me, but it doesn't make it any better on principle.

    I'm not an advocate for racialism or ethnostates so I'm not sure why you're telling me this.

    They base their actions from excerpts from the Quran. They are by all means a representation of fundamentalist/extremist Islam. Of course, there's more to it, with power struggles, cherry-picked quotes and so on, but it doesn't change that they are a representation of this extremist platform.

    There's multiple IRA cells all based on republicanism. They don't operate on religion, or use it as a backing. A better example would be to say that the IRA is a representation of Irish culture and nationality, despite their condemnation from the southern government.
     
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    That's typical of religious families, Islam or not. Ridiculing due to abandonment of religion isn't unique to Islam.
    That doesn't mean Sharia is forced onto you, the Sharia court exists to solve Islamic disputes in the UK.

    Speaking for the general audience that are against Islam, specifically Mesa.
    Sorry.

    Personally, if you're cherry picking from the Quran in order to create an agenda for your organization, you aren't representing Islam in my view. It should be read in full, not in excerpts. You are without a doubt going to derive a completely different meaning to the intended message if you read in tiny bits. Such as @Mesa pulling out 4:89 in the Quran, which details to kill any people who abandoned their religion, and want to fight you. However, if read past 4:89, specifically 4:90 it continues on as an extension, saying that if they want peace, do not kill them. Raping, mass murder of innocent people, and the killing of Muslims, is by no means at all, a representation of Islam whatsoever.

    I'll retract what I said about the IRA then, since I am not really well-informed to talk about it.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

    Wouldn't be surprised if this is the case, you've been the most defensive in this thread by far
     
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    Welcome to current affairs buddy, we're having an argument, I am going to refute any point that I believe is false.

    Just want to clarify, I'm Russian, brought up into the eastern orthodox church, which isn't islam.
    but im atheist now
     
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    Im not even Muslim and I’m defending them. I wear a cross on me 24/7 as I am Christian in a /Muslim/ country and i have never been treated any different here for it.
     
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    define treated
     
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    Treated as everyone else? During Ramadan my friends had to go pray at the grand mosque, I waited for them in the mosque as they prayed and as they were all there, just before they began one of the Pakistanis asked in Arabic if I was going to pray, I shook my head and casually showed him my gold cross, he just smiled gave a thumbs up and went on with praying.

    If anything, they are more accepting of other religions than other countries and cultures. Sure sometimes religious discrimination happens Hère, but I have never been exposed to it and I’ve been to Saudi Arabia lol.

    Even in Riyadh they asked what the gold chain was, I showed it to them, then they continued to smile and they even sat down and smoked shisha with my father for like 3 hours talking about politics.

    They don’t treat me differently
    Merged:
    Btw alcohol and even pork, is legal here.

    I getta eat bacon bro
     
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    Don't bother bro, apparently you're a Taqiya if you defend Islam.
     
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