Accepted Jeremy "Will" Smith's PK Appeal #2

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  1. Jerry_Dasher

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    Steam Name: Jerry_Dasher

    Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:61476453

    Character Name: R.N. Jeremy "Will" Smith

    Member of Staff Who Banned Your Character: @Havok

    What Led To Your Character's Death?: Dispatch marked him as mentally unfit

    Why Should Your Character Be Unbanned?: Well, to be honest I kinda understand the PK, but Jeremy's been a hard worker and this was the first time he's ever done anything like this. I'm not sure if the Union honestly cares that much, but executing a Registered Nurse for a first time offense seems a bit extreme(Then again, it's a intergalactic empire)

    Date Of Occurrence: 25-05-2019

    Evidence: Logs

    Other Players Involved: @Thood74, @Hybrid, @Simman102

    Any Other Details: Unless anyone involved in this or similar events have anything to add...
     
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  2. Smallfries

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    What circumstances led to him being declared as mentally unfit?
     
  3. Thood74

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    // judging by your characters status as PKed, i would say so.

    I was involved in this chain of events and can shed more light on the exacts.


    Jeremy here attempted to end his own life due to depression due to not exactly known reasons, i kinda stopped that, CP's kinda didnt give a fuck, nor did dispatch, and Jeremy here was executed. However, i have seen multiple other ways the union have treated suicide attempts from regular citizens, and considering this is the first time Jeremy attempted something like this, and the fact he is a valuable resource in comparison from a standard citizen with no armband, it seems stupid he would be executed.

    @Smallfries
     
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  4. Kiko

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    attempted suicide has always been valid grounds for a pk
     
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    It really sucks to end a character this way, but this kinda doomed you:
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    C17:RL.QUICK-6 whispers on tac: "<:: Union medical asset J.SMITH attempted 10-104, local civic-entity at location prevented attempt. advise. ::>"
    Dispatch radios on command: "<:: QUICK 6 subject 'J. SMITH,' deemed as mentally unfit, proceed with relocation and amputation. ::>"
    
    It could've ended in another way but it didn't.
    I'm sorry, but due to the message we had no other choice.
     
  6. Blackquill

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    Does seem a bit counter intuitive to pk people who do stuff like this

    I mean UM has psycologists and shit for this
     
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  7. Smallfries

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    Attempted suicide is always ground for a PK, unless when it's not. One of my characters in clockwork did it and a whole lot of intrigue happened as a result; CAB got involved and she got off scott free.

    In this scenario, though, it looks like a solid pk imo.
     
  8. Thood74

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    You can listen to lord and savor blackquill on this one. Please?
     
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    I personally would've done it in another way but after the radio message there was no choice

    And I always assumed psychologists are just for stuff like irrational fears/childhood trauma or whatever, not being suicidal
     
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    psychologists in UM are there for suicidal shit, but if they believe a patient may act on it they are required to tell CPs. From experience, it's a difficult line to toe, and dealing with that kind of RP gets ugly real quick for everyone involved
     
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    I think there's a lot more things we can do to characters that try to take their lives than just put a bullet in their head, for that, I agree. I mean sure, they have depression and it's a mental disorder, but are they still able to work?

    Can they still handle tools and produce goods, can they follow instructions for a workshift? Most of the time, yes they can. Depression won't get in the way of that. It'd get in the way of motivation and behavior, as well as many other things, sure.

    I think this should be changed, to be honest. Maybe will make a suggestion of it, idk.
     
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  12. Smallfries

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    put them in a cell and let the CAB sort them out imo
     
  13. Thood74

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    yesh
     
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    But on the other hand, @Simman102 just brought up that someone trying to throw themselves off a bridge is a threat to socio-stability, and it indeed is, even though a minor one.
     
  15. Thood74

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    Not big enough to matter in the scale of things.
     
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    Don't attempt to commit suicide otherwise we will kill you.

    Yeah, that's kind've dumb, sorry.
     
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  17. Rabid

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    If someone tries to off themselves and gets stopped but they're not at risk of hurting anyone else - why PK them? I respect if someone is attempting suicide via violent means that risk hurting others, but it'd offer so much more RP to attempt rehabilitation via the UM or whatever if its just "minor".
     
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  18. Thood74

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    this makes total sense
     
  19. Simman102

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    Well the mistake was telling Dispatch about it, it killed the possible RP
    Like I said, it could've and I wish it ended otherwise but it didn't
     
  20. drpepper2

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    hello i have never been PK'd for attempted suicide
    i don't even know why this is an immediate PK, 10-104 wouldn't even get the city to yellow sociostability status smh
     
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