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BEFORE you read this, please know this is supposed to be serious, not another thread filled with memes and don't bring out the "this is a roleplay forum, ROLEPLAY AND YOURE BEING SERIOUS" thing again because it's total nonsense, the fact it's a roleplay forum doesn't have anything to do with content restrictions like serious threads. Let's start though.
So I've seen lots of people around these days who call communism extreme for some reason and who don't well understand the term. You're not required to understand what you're saying, but it's really weird if you're using something and don't know it's true meaning. So,

SOCIALISM

Socialism is a way of production different to the capitalist system. In socialism the state controls the means of production, while in capitalism it's directly the people of the state. Why most socialists think this isn't right is because often, people who do nothing get the most profit, which they are making from slowly, step-by-step destroying the world (I would be speaking about all those palm oils which forests are burned out for, but there's much more). Of course the world will end some day, but just think about it. If there weren't for all these palm oils added into chocolates, which is done only for the chocolate to taste like chocolate while not being as expensive as 100% cocoa chocolate, we'd still have those forests that were burned a week ago. Then you have lots of different brands of soaps, which isn't really too good either, why don't just have one brand with the same additives but with just a different smell? It is all over-complicated because of that fact, and people are only getting greedy. Know that socialism is NOT dictatorship, you have many different versions of socialism, usually named after the people that used these versions, but there's even more versions that are yet unofficial.

COMMUNISM
Communism is, simply said; a next level of socialism which doesn't seem to be possible to achieve, because it would require all the population known to us follow the ways of socialism in order to restore the world and for money to be partially, or completely removed (For example, you'd either have to pay only for things that are not essential for life, like PC games etc., or you wouldn't have to pay for anything at all).

It's really all I wanted to say, it's a pretty short summary of these two, so if you want to ask something, feel free to do so. You can also check out the page socialism101.com which can give you a more elaborate explanation, yet not as elaborate as the communist manifesto of Marx.
 
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oh boy i have a feeling you're gonna get your ass kicked by our resident conservatives.

for a utopian ideology basing itself on "what would be good", communism and socialism has claimed more lives than it ever should, either it is through national bloodshed, meddling it other people's political affairs and causing civil conflict inside neutral - democraticaly aligned countries.

paying for "nothing at all" and having everything controlled and sponsored by the state is very undemocratical and helps them maintain a tight grip over the country's economy and poliitcs. i'm not sure if anyone wants that in their own country.

tdlr; no.
 

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oh boy i have a feeling you're gonna get your ass kicked by our resident conservatives.

for a utopian ideology basing itself on "what would be good", communism and socialism has claimed more lives than it ever should, either it is through national bloodshed, meddling it other people's political affairs and causing civil conflict inside neutral - democraticaly aligned countries.

paying for "nothing at all" and having everything controlled and sponsored by the state is very undemocratical and helps them maintain a tight grip over the country's economy and poliitcs. i'm not sure if anyone wants that in their own country.

tdlr; no.
Compared to the amount that capitalist countries kill.
Be it through starvation, poverty, disease, or war.
Capitalism is FAR from a perfect economic system, and it shouldn't be thought of as the end all be all economic model, especially when we HAVE other options we can experiment with.
 
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You see, its that you all think like "STALIN DID THIS, MAO DID THAT"
It aint us doing it, communism was differently talked about than put in work, thats the deal. We cant do anything about it.
EDIT: Nobody aint good nor bad, even Americans signed some civillian deaths
 
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You see, its that you all think like "STALIN DID THIS, MAO DID THAT"
It aint us doing it, communism was differently talked about than put in work, thats the deal. We cant do anything about it.
EDIT: Nobody aint good nor bad, even Americans signed some civillian deaths

oh wait so you're telling me Marx doesn't call tor the dissolution of government and the higher classes and their immidiate elimination for what they "have done to the people"?

a ok sir
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

go ahead, they're still doing it.



the current system everyone uses is officialy portrayed as capitalism, but infact, it isn't. it's a form of capitalism only with more government control in markets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Colombia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Central_America#Dissolution_of_the_union
Two FAILED examples of capitalism. We, in a capitalist world, are STILL killing. Just like every other country in the world.

And no, I'm sorry but your argument of "It's not actually capitalism" is total BS because the same mindset can be applied to all previously communist countries. "None of them were TRUE communist countries"
 

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I think this ""utopia""" idea is inherently flawed, especially because the system can end up creating power vacuums.

Power Vacuums lead to Dictatorships, Dictatorships leads to Genocide.

And no, I'm sorry but your argument of "It's not actually capitalism" is total BS because the same mindset can be applied to all previously communist countries. "None of them were TRUE communist countries"
Holds about as much water as communists saying communist countries wasn't real communism.
 

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oh wait so you're telling me Marx doesn't call tor the dissolution of government and the higher classes and their immidiate elimination for what they "have done to the people"?

a ok sir
I think you're misinterpreting the term "elimination". It's not murder. It's abolishing the class system as a whole.
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Holds about as much water as communists saying communist countries wasn't real communism.
As was exactly my point
 

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Compared to the amount that capitalist countries kill.
Be it through starvation, poverty, disease, or war.
Capitalism is FAR from a perfect economic system, and it shouldn't be thought of as the end all be all economic model, especially when we HAVE other options we can experiment with.

are you actually stupid

the bad shit governments have done in liberal countries aren't the fault of the economic system of those countries but the governments themselves you literal dolt

OT: physically remove pinkos
 
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are you actually stupid

the bad shit governments have done in liberal countries aren't the fault of the economic system of those countries but the government itself you literal dolt

OT: physically remove pinkos
Can't this EXACT mindset be applied to communism? Your defenses for capitalism go both ways. If the faults of capitalist countries are due to the government and not the economic system in place why can't the same thing be said about communism?
 
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I think you're misinterpreting the term "elimination". It's not murder. It's abolishing the class system as a whole.
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As was exactly my point

how does abolishing the class system logicaly work? might aswell bring Nestor Makhno back

the bad shit governments have done in liberal countries aren't the fault of the economic system of those countries but the government itself you literal dolt

what I was about to say
 

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how does abolishing the class system logicaly work? might aswell bring Nestor Makhno back



what I was about to say
By seizing the means of production. It's pretty clearly laid out, just gotta look at the book from a different perspective.
 
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Can't this EXACT mindset be applied to communism? Your defenses for capitalism go both ways. If the faults of capitalist countries are due to the government and not the economic system in place why can't the same thing be said about communism?

because capitalism doesn't promote intentionally fucking up work sectors and levying resources regardless of how many ppl starve in the process
 
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By seizing the means of production. It's pretty clearly laid out, just gotta look at the book from a different perspective.

seizing the means of production from professionaly trained factory workers and successful businessmen and women and giving it to Vladimir whose homeless on the side of a sidewalk

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seizing the means of production from professionaly trained factory workers and success businessmen and women and giving it to Vladimir whose homeless on the side of a sidewalk

cool
Except that's not at all what happens. You can't just pull stuff out of your ass and claim it's correct with a sarcastic tone. Communism gives power TO the factory workers, and the fact you oversaw that just speaks to the fact you don't actually know what communism is and how it works. You cannot look at things from such a staunch, pro-capitalist perspective simply because that's what you were taught. There are pros and cons to each economic model, and they both have their failures throughout history.
 
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all you :heyzeus: saying communism did something good for countries that got ruled by communists should check out the slavic countries today and see how we're miles behind other countries lol
 
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