Serious SCP-4738 - ‘Political Containment Thread’

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  1. Dr.Towers

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  3. dee pixel

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    you'd be surprised brother
     
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  4. Postal

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    sounds like someone has low
     
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  5. DemonElite

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    The. Government. Is. Shut. Down. A quarter of the federal work force is not getting paid, many of them are not even allowed to go into work. FDA cannot conduct food inspections, EPA cannot conduct environmental work and inspections, national parks like Yosemite are becoming literal shitfests, tribal communities are not getting the support they actually need to provide basic services like healthcare. My husband and I are working for free.

    She can save the symbolic shit over her campaign pledge for later, instead of delaying the reopening of the government like the President is over some stupid bullshit.

    You're fucking ridiculous.
     
  6. Husky

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    Then advocate that and state why you are doing it. Hold your vote. She has power in the Democratic party and to see that influence would swade the Democrats to take those stances and compromise to achieve her goals.

    You shouldn't have your first vote as a representative to abandon one of your largest platforms. It's bad form and it has resulted in backlash. It doesn't matter what is factually correct it matters what people think is factually correct.
     
  7. Dr.Towers

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    This is something that always made me curious since I've seen it multiple times on current affairs, why the US government "shuts down" from time to time? Last time the italian government "shut down" was because two parties won the elections at the same time and nobody wanted to ally with the other so the entirety of the parliament get stuck for 4-5 weeks until they decided to elect a puppet at the head of state that could please both.
     
  8. Husky

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    It's to do with the seperation of powers that America has, they don't want power in control of one person and so they make it so that there needs to be compromises, there's 5 main seperations of power, the courts, house of representatives, congress, president and the constitution. Right now the HOR passed the budget (so where spending can be made) but the senate requires 60 votes rather then 51% (51 votes). So both parties need to agree on the budget. When both parties don't the government (or at least part of it) shuts down, because it's dependant on the funding from that budget immediately. But people usually get payed for the work they do during a shutdown after the shutdown happens. So their work is essentially logged and they don't recieve a paycheck during the shutdown but after their paycheck they receive the money they would have gotten, but right now the departments don't have any funding from the government and so get them from other sources or from money they save in the event of a shutdown, they normally save 1-2 months worth of funding solely for projects and absolute necessities but not for pay.
     
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  9. Smallfries

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    Maybe you’re mistaking the senate? 60 votes in the house is like 13%. Otherwise correct
     
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    Did I misstype? Yeh it's 60 in the senate and just a majority in the house.
     
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    Yeah, that. Also separation of powers isn’t between those five groups, it’s between the three branches of government: Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Each of those three is further broken up in different ways, but that’s the gist. Also constitution doesn’t get any power, it’s the document that GIVES the power. That’s where seperation of powers comes from
     
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    Well yes, however defacto it's between the 5.

    It's all to do with devolution, like it would be correct to say that power in the UK is spread between the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly etc as they have devolved powers, however the UK has a unitary government, unlike the US federal. And the Constitution is sovereign in the US, it's the dictator of the US, it has ultimate power. All power in the US results from the constitution and the constitution devolves power to those other branches. So like in the UK that Parliament has supreme power but devolves power to other area's, the constitution in America has supreme power but devolves power. It could be written in the constitution that the constitution dictates everything, no senate, president or house at all, just completely follow the constitution which would be legal and could be done (in theory.)
     
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    Well no, not really. I understand the point you’re trying to make, and you’re kinda right, but not.

    The constitution itself has no power. As a law student that is something basic I need to know. What it DOES have, however, is authority. The authority of the constitution grants power to each of the three branches of American government; this distinction in important to make. There is no seperation of power between the five groups you outlined, because the constitution itself does not have power. It simply delegates power to the three branches. The constitution simply outlines what can happen. Without it, no authority would be given, and there would be no legal basis for anything.

    There is no ‘devolution’ of power, such as in the UK. There is federal sharing of power between the federal state and the local states, but that’s it. There is no supreme power within the United States. Although it is true the constitution is what is always referred to during legal issues, it is only because it is where all power in the US government comes from, not because it is said power. If that makes sense
     
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    See I learned in politics that each country has a system of sovereignty, something MUST be sovereign, in the UK it's parliament, in the US, we learned it's the constitution it dictates everything and has final say.

    If the constitution isn't sovereign then who/what is? Because House > Congress > President but president can be blocked by courts if he violates > The constitution.
     
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    Christ I hope @Husky doesn't campaign for PM

    we'll be so fucking shit and be forced to work 12 hours a week
     
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    Are you being ironic or funny here? Or are you serious?
     
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    why are none of your videos available here :(
     
  19. Postal

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    copyright I bet
     
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