Serious Shooting in california, 12 deaths reported

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  1. Evil

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    you would be surprised
     
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    smh
     
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    I don't understand this. A gazelle doesn't use its horns against lions, it uses its speed to evade them.

    Or are you suggesting that lions have horns?
     
  4. Benjideaula

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    okay if you want to play a game of semantics then fine
    You don't save an elk from a bear by filing down it's antlers
    there you happy?
     
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    Happy? I'm doing OK. Annoyed? A little bit. Your analogy was very poor and the tone you've used in this response (calling my criticism of said poor analogy semantics) has irked me. Not only does your country have a problem with crazed gunmen, it has a problem with education and a problem with manners. God save America.
     
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    you need a hug or something?
     
  7. Dicknose

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    Didn't you get banned for being a cunt?

    My views on these types of situations seem to be that yes this is obviously an issue, an issue which seems to be the media doesn't help stopping these shootings. Plastering their faces over TVs doesn't help stop the issues. The gun control side of this coin I'm not going to get into
     
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    No sir, I've got my M1 Garand by my side and that's all I need. :STEAMSALUTE:
     
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  9. Benjideaula

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    i really dont wanna talk about the exact reason i was banned.
    but his nitpicking on my analogy just really irked me and it seemed out of place in a discussion about violence.
     
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    You seriously talk about him having an out of place comment in a thread about violence but you made a snide remark.
     
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  11. Dallas

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    can we just remove current affairs thanks
     
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  12. Slim

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    its the only reliable news source in these days
     
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    They need people who love their job, who love helping others, not money. That's probably why it fails.

    Happens to old people residences here in Spain, some very expensive ones are dogshit and some very cheap ones are great, and that's just because the expensive one has robots that clean the old people with a brush and then put some food in front of them, and the cheap one has people who may not have the biggest paycheck, but they love what they do, and they really care about the people they look after.
     
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    isn't this just a normal day in 'Murica?
     
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    I don't think it's productive to discuss gun policy in this conversation. Normally I'm more understanding of people's insistence to shine the spotlight over gun laws when mass shootings occur (and I'm very willing to discuss the logistics of that). But, this mass shooting in particular has a much different tone to it overall. It doesn't speak to broken gun laws. It speaks to a broken VA system.

    Ian's home was swarmed by police just months before this incident occurred. At the time, the Ventura County Sheriff's Department called in a mental health specialist to speak with him; he was acting irate and irrational, and needed to be calmed, not confronted by armed police and threatened with jail time. The MHS speculated he may have been suffering from PTSD.

    According to RAND, 20% of Americans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with PTSD/depression. More tellingly, 50% of PTSD sufferers do not seek treatment. A RAND study reports that out of those who do seek treatment, only about half reported receiving "minimally adequate" treatment. RAND has also found that the prevalence of PTSD in veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan is higher than in previous U.S conflicts.

    In the United States, as many as 20-22 veterans commit suicide every day. Their stress, trauma, remorse, anxiety, depression, and other psychiatric conditions/symptoms become too much to tolerate. Unable to take living with them, they find the only solution is to make it all stop at once. To make it stop forever.

    President Trump has proposed in the FY 2019 budget to increase federal VA funds by $12.1 billion, leading to a total of $198.6 billion. But it'll take more than just more funds to make the VA system work. It also will require better standards for care, better addiction treatments, better counseling, better hospitalization conditions, and more preventative measures to ensure that veterans do not take their own or other's lives. This particular shooting was a rare occurrence. It's not often that veterans go off shooting public venues.

    And while we don't know the motive (and at some point we might), what we should focus on as a country is how we address the mental health of our vets. Congress has been doing a back and forth for decades over funding for the VA system. But it's time we stopped the politics. This is not a political issue. This is an ethical issue. This is an issue of real, human crisis. And we should not be allowing our veterans to continue enduring the pains that they do.

    I often don't connect mass shootings to mental health. I think much of the time it's ignorant and inflates the stigma around mental illness. But in this particular case, this veteran needed help. And he could have had it had our VA system not been so fragmented. I really do feel bad. Not only for the people who were killed; but also for Ian Long. This was clearly a case of horrible mental crisis resulting in (possibly intermittent) violence. And tragically, that violence was very fatal.
     
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    trust me you dont want to remove the Quarantine Zone
     
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    I have found it a little frustrating that a lot of people from other nations view America and its like, "Oh do that and it can be fixed", maybe not as general but the point being is that this stuff is in our culture. Americans have guns because incase a tyrannical government ever takes control, we need to defend and limit its power, or also for self defense, hunting, and etc. But also, its not really about Gun Legislation, an Afghanistan Vet went a little crazy and in all honesty, the VA system when it comes to good and able psychologists is lacking, its one thing to give a guy some drugs or have him on a waiting list for a month, its another thing to actually understand what they go through and understand. Regardless, it does not excuse the guys action, I just wish instead of making some comments like "its a normal day in a Murica", to understand that the United States is much different than every other nation, we aren't like, "I love mah guns", its a lot more complex than I believe people understand it.
     
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    My view on this tragedy is pretty simple. If he couldn't buy a gun? Then he probably would have killed fewer people overall (if he didn't just illegally purchase it the same way he had an extended clip) but, I don't think that's where the problem is really this time.

    The system failed him. That's the long and short of it. He went out into hell and served his country, came back as a broken man and nothing was done to help it. But he's not the only one. A lot of vets commit suicide every day, and the proof is in the pudding. If his house was raided previously because of him being irate, or even beause he was having an episode, he should've had to receive treatment.
     
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  20. Angel

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    If Americans weren't as obnoxious as they, this wouldn't happen. It's a simple response to the constant USA #1
     
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