Denied Violet 'Circuit' Saitō

Discussion in 'Accepted/Denied Appeals' started by viomi, Aug 3, 2018.

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  1. Blackquill

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    That's not a problem on its own though

    I think you're looking at it the wrong way the PK auth thing is for when someone with PK auths, goes to said person and says: "hey i have pk auths on you".
     
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  2. viomi

    viomi just another slut don't mind me

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    Does it not also refer to going up to someone who has a character who is very close to mine and would be baited by said auths, even if they weren't on Tzula's character directly?
     
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    Potentially but it would depend on what was actually said - context is important
     
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  4. Señor Jaggles

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    I have a question though

    They talk on TS, the PK auths are mentioned publicly in front of non-staff and in less than a week there's a full network of people sharing information IC.

    Wouldn't that mean the thing was rather OOCly arranged or influenced? Unless there's a way to prove otherwise. Not accusing anyone of anything, just want all the information posted or at least in the hands of PK appeal management (if you people would rather keep it private due to metagaming risk and all that) so they can work with everything and reach a verdict they deem fair.
     
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    Potentially.

    But to assume guilty until proven innocent, would be impossible in these situations as it would be extremely easy to accuse someone who PKs you, to always be oocly ochrestrating in TS - just for the act of being in TS.

    Now don't get that twisted, I'm just playing devil's advocate- I'm not saying @viomi is lying for their own benefit, I'm merely saying we can't act on information we don't have
     
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    The info on Violet was all gained ICly through being told by letting loose or through piecing information together or from her own mouth. The part which you could be 'skeptical' on is me telling Gaben - Which all happened IC and there is logs to back it up. I actually told Jimbo BEFORE I was brought in that I was snitched by Violet (Not Circuit as I wasn't aware at the time) so he may have told others. Regardless there is logs to back up my claims through various days.

    I'll write a full response later as i'm currently busy at the moment, but all info was gained and shared IC. There was no action on the info unless someone knew ICly, which by the point of this was common knowledge ICly among my friends
     
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  7. Señor Jaggles

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    Thanks this is what I needed, not a thousand dumb ratings. No hurry mate, and I guess there are logs, though not sure if normal talking logs are accessible, /mes and similar commands like whispering and such are.

    Hence my request for more information, working on suppositions is never good, proof is needed to end these appeals in a proper way.

    To be straightforward, I am not accusing them of doing it, just asked for more details on how things were arranged because it all seems like too much of a coincidence from my POV since I'm lacking information, and pretty much most of the people here seem to be lacking said information.

    In other words, relevant information for the case is way more useful than the stuff others are doing.
     
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    I'm really sorry as I just woke up and I'm seeing heaps of text everywhere.
    What am I being pinged for

    Like, who needs an answer to what?
    That metagame situation was a case of misunderstanding [after talking to him], the one with Price at least.
     
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  9. viomi

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    Can you confirm that @FriendlyMan was talking about how he was going to get someone to PK my character in that teamspeak channel previously?
     
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    I think most was done through whisper to be safe (I know me telling Jimbo and Gaben was) but there may have been minor amounts of info in talk.
     
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  11. Señor Jaggles

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    Aye it's alright, usually not absolutely every log is needed, just a few. But Blackquill probably checked them already or has been checking them or something, so you post what you wanted to post and I'd say it's pretty much up to the PK management team to deal with from there on.
     
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    Yeah uh.
    I remember unmuting to hear stuff going on in the channel about how she was going to 'Sperg out' the moment she is pked
    And how Jaggles would do just that after Viomi was pked.
    I thought that it was pretty disgusting that a group of people were talking in ts about how they were going to kill a character.
     
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    Usual big man talk from the usual suspects then

    Nothing unusual here
     
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    Do you have evidence of these claims
     
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    Despite people thinking I don't know about them talking shit behind my back, I do.

    So honestly I don't care about that in specific or what they may have said.
     
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  16. viomi

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    May want to reword this, then:

     
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    Not sure what you mean

    Them talking absolute shit has nothing to do with revealing PK auths. If @Tzula just unmuted then it's nigh impossible for them to intentionally reveal pk auths to them.
     
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  18. viomi

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    is what I was referring to, @Blackquill
     
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    It does however give off a stinking suspicion on whether their intentions were IC or OOC though. Which is where I start having problems with the PK as a whole.
     
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  20. Blackquill

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    Yeah but talking about it and actually planning it and doing it for OOC reasons are different.
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    Oh no, I agree wholeheartedly
     
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