Denied Zeke Wilson's PK appeal

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  1. Aether

    Aether Necron Enthusiast
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    Steam Name: Aether

    Steam ID: STEAM_1:0:53503656

    Character Name: Zeke Wilson

    Member of Staff Who Banned Your Character: @Numbers

    What Led To Your Character's Death?: I was standing at the bar in Atmosphere (Grotto), working and suddenly outta nowhere a guy runs around the corner and guns me down. I have absolutely no idea why.

    Why Should Your Character Be Unbanned?: I don't think there's any valid reason for my death? The closest thing I could think of is the fact I'm a tribune-elect but as far as I'm aware there's no open PK auths for that, especially as I've not even been inducted yet.

    Date Of Occurrence: 08/06/2019 (Just past midnight so yeah)

    Jimmy Patterson says "I-."
    Jimmy Patterson says "I think it looks....."
    Jimmy Patterson says "Cool..."
    Zeke Wilson says "It's not *bad*."
    *** Nicholas Manji gets off the wall, knocking on the counter "I'm off, gents."
    Zeke Wilson says "But honestly you'd probably look better in a black and white tie kinda thing y'know?"
    Zeke Wilson says "Take care, Nick."
    Jimmy Patterson says "Can't get a new suit."
    *** Nicholas Manji nods, walking off.
    Jimmy Patterson says "This is the one they assigned to me."
    Zeke Wilson says "You sure? You could probably put in a formal request."
    ***** [A pale figure wearing standard citize...] depresses the trigger of his pistol - shooting rapidly at the target(s) not stopping til they're dead
    Numbers banned the character Zeke Wilson.

    Other Players Involved: @Snowl @Numbers @unknowngunman

    Any Other Details: Linked to https://nebulous.cloud/threads/jimmy-patterson-pk-appeal.41813/
     
    #1 Aether, Jun 8, 2019
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  2. lucid

    lucid aussie battler

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    not sure if this changes much but it’s worth mentioning i guess:
    • Unless the target is unarmed and at a severe disadvantage, in which case - they should be allowed to respond or S2RP should be used.
    as per the ruleset you shouldn’t be getting S2K’d like that, you were unarmed and at a complete disadvantage
     
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  3. PilotBland

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    Reference at the should.

    I think S2K is whilst not role playing enabling, is what’s used so there’s no hold up and no cops coming and metagaming.

    Ruble realistically just shoots a couple tribunes and goes away. I dislike it, but I’ve been pked the exact same way and so have many others. It’s just the servers biggest fault, but it’s not the invalid point so I’d look for different arguments really.

    Good luck in your appeal! @Snowl since this also applies to you
     
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  4. maxi

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    I’m not too sure if this applies, but iirc we didn’t have four TAG units. But then again he isn’t in the most secure of places. Just some nice little info for management. Also applies for @Snowl
     
  5. lucid

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    the minimum is three
     
  6. nexus

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  7. maxi

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    My bad, don’t play rebelRP so I don’t focus on the numbers.
     
  8. ruble

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    i'll openly let you re-do because it literally wouldn't make a difference - the grotto is a somewhat open zone and cops had left the area aproximately ten minutes prior performing a huge sweep of the area. the reason why I cut short with a s2k /mel was attributed to the fact that cops could arrive any moment if I wasted time

    this pk appeal should merge with the other one too for mod convenience just saying
     
  9. nexus

    nexus barbecue chips aint shit

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    • In order to carry out an attack on the union (be it cop, collaborator*, cab) then there must be at least three armed units available. (Look for cops with '30' and over in their names on the scoreboard.)
    • *Unless the Collaborator is in a non-union controlled area (I.e cameras/active patrols) in which case, you do not need the required amount of cops.
    The Grotto is a ways off and I'm pretty sure it's intended as a grey zone for a bit of shady stuff so I'm not entirely sure that rule would apply in this scenario.
     
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  10. ruble

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    active patrols don't enter the grotto neither are there any cameras in the location
     
  11. Numbers

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    Additionally, the cops could not have injected into the grotto due to insufficient TAG amount. You would have likely died regardless of being able to react.

    On the fact that you weren't officially inaugurated yet, I'm unsure of.
     
  12. lucid

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    marquis was a full on tribune though

    times are changing, pilot. perhaps PK appeal managers will have a different attitude towards how characters should die, and maybe they’ll actually pay attention to the clearly defined rule that most seem to ignore

    pretty sure they had three anyway

    if they didn’t, it’s a union controlled area
     
  13. cns

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    Pretty sure tribunes aren't PKs because they aren't entitled to guards
     
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  14. ruble

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    they are
     
  15. Blackquill

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    According to what, exactly

    There's no rule anywhere that says so
     
  16. cns

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    well thats pretty gay since they can't be guarded
     
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  17. ruble

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    i've literally stabbed and killed a tribune during depot and it was 100% fine even with pk appeal managers so???????
     
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  18. Aether

    Aether Necron Enthusiast
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    Minor difference: Grotto isn't classed as part of D4 this time and is a public place for loyalists to freely go. Also, being a loyalist is not listed under the rules as acceptable grounds for PK and moreover:
     
  19. Blackquill

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    Also this kind of conduct towards other players is unacceptable

    I understand s2k between rebels and cops, hell even rebels vs rebels, but when it's an armed character vs one who's literally no threat it's ridiculous
     
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  20. nexus

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    They've actively chosen to support the Union regime in the same fashion every resistance member props themselves up as a PK target under any given Union attack/search.
     
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