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I mean like the main reason I have firearms is because it’s my #1 hobby. The other on the other hand is even if the surrounding villages where I live are very friendly with friendly people. My house has been scouted like 4 times, broken into twice. And one time 5 black men tried to rob me. And due to where I live. Response time by police is like 45 minutes so either I’d already be dead, or they’d be gone with my shit. So I’d rather keep me, and my elderly mother and father safe. So i like to keep a firearm close Incase push comes to shove.
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having your home broken into is an extremely jarring experience. your 'safety' is pretty damn non-existent with that feeling, and that's if you come back to a wrecked home with things missing.
if you're home it's way worse. you have no fucking clue why you, of all people-- YOU, have a man who's willing to break through your window or your lock for any reason.
it's easy to say 'lol a man died trying to steal your 49 dollar tv good job american' when there's people who handle their home broken into drastically different than you.
my mom had to sit in the dark closet with me in her arms when i was a baby because some dude came in to violate her (her words, not mine. that's what the guy said he was gonna do apparently after he got caught...) in the shitty trailer park we used to live in, and she couldn't own a gun because iirc she was a resident and not a citizen. cops took 15 minutes to arrive, which could've been a whole different story otherwise if he caught her offguard.
if you're home it's way worse. you have no fucking clue why you, of all people-- YOU, have a man who's willing to break through your window or your lock for any reason.
it's easy to say 'lol a man died trying to steal your 49 dollar tv good job american' when there's people who handle their home broken into drastically different than you.
my mom had to sit in the dark closet with me in her arms when i was a baby because some dude came in to violate her (her words, not mine. that's what the guy said he was gonna do apparently after he got caught...) in the shitty trailer park we used to live in, and she couldn't own a gun because iirc she was a resident and not a citizen. cops took 15 minutes to arrive, which could've been a whole different story otherwise if he caught her offguard.
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if someone burgles your home unarmed and you have a gun, you aim it and threaten them until the police arrive
if they have a weapon like a knife, you keep your distance and repeat above unless they make a move
you should not just be shooting people because they broke into your house unless you have a valid reason to, if you have a gun it should be used to intimidate and threaten until the police arrive
examine the case of tony martin
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You hit the nail on the head with this. Gun or not in hand. You still have no idea if this asshole has one too, what his intentions are. If he wants to steal, or steal and kill. I can tell you from both times it’s happened to me. It’s terrifying, both times I almost straight up shot the guy out of terror. Which would’ve landed me in jail instead of him. But thankfully both times it’s ended with no one getting hurt. But even still when I find people on my property at random it scares the shit out of me.
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It's a lot easier said than done. In those kind of situations anything is possible, just because you might not see a weapon doesn't mean that they don't have one or that they can't get one. If you have actual training and are confident in your ability to keep a level head and use measurable force then sure go for it, but nobody should be expected to perform what you're saying in a high risk situation with an adrenaline rush.
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if i had a gun in my house and somebody comes in, breaking my property to even access my interior they'll get beaten to a pulp, idgaf if they're unarmed or not
if i had a gun, they'd be shot somehow, be it in the leg or shoulder, i wouldnt care
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cops are cleanup crews, they're almost never there when a crime is happening.
if someone breaks into your home, you have the right to defend it. it's where you and your family live, that's a line that should never be crossed.
if someone breaks into your home, you have the right to defend it. it's where you and your family live, that's a line that should never be crossed.
Never try to go for a leg shot in a situation like that, always go for the centre of the torso.
of course it is, I just find it wrong to shoot someone fatally when I can see they are presenting no physical threat. I haven't been burgled as I live in quite a secluded area so perhaps I am looking at this through rose tinted glasses, but personally I would not simply shoot someone just because they are in my home
"On the evening of 20 August 1999, two burglars – Brendon Fearon, 29, and 16-year-old Fred Barras, both Irish Travellers from Newark-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire[8] – broke into Martin's house.[9] Shooting downwards in the dark with his shotgun loaded with birdshot, Martin shot three times towards the intruders (once when they were in the stairwell and twice more when they were trying to flee through the window of an adjacent ground floor room). Barras was hit in the back and both sustained gunshot injuries to their legs. Both escaped through the window but Barras died at the scene.[10] Martin claimed that he opened fire after being woken when the intruders smashed a window. "
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im not getting charged with murder, id rather injure them and prevent them from leaving
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Just because someone doesn't have a weapon doesn't mean they're not a threat. This is especially true when they're in close proximity to you (like in a house) where a scuffle, unfavorable to you, can now turn into a deadly scenario where the intruder possesses a weapon and you're severely injured or dead. I agree with you, blasting people for simply breaking your lock is stupid but US state laws account for this.
e: Even highly conservative states like Texas demand that there is a reasonable belief of imminent danger
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I think we can all agree that anyone can panic and end up making a mistake.
It's, however, completely different from someone who takes advantage of the break in to kill someone in cold blood after they surrender/try to escape/whatever.
And to add on top of those two, there's many more outcomes that can come from such a situation.
In other countries this kind of stuff happens way less just like school shootings mainly because of an issue the US is, I'd say, no longer able to effectively tackle, as there's more guns than citizens and that means if they try to bring the hammer down on weapon owning by even putting the slightest regulations, the chad gun culture dudebros may go as far as to organize small revolts.
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im not arguing against it, i totally agree
just that id personally fuck em up so they know not to come back
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Laws mean jackshit when a human life has already been taken
A life sentence in prison won't bring back that guy's life