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Spent a bit of time recently talking to some existing fallout 4 modders, and was able to get my hands on a resource pack for a new foliage set, hits much closer to the intended world location, so been replacing them in areas where the assets were lacking.
Planning to start setting up the next main location I wanted to cover for my demo space.
Will need to worry after about bridging these isolated landscapes together.
( I did make a plan for it though so should be grand)
Planning to start setting up the next main location I wanted to cover for my demo space.
Will need to worry after about bridging these isolated landscapes together.
( I did make a plan for it though so should be grand)
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I didn't go back to look if anyone mentioned this already and I know it's off topic.. but this thread is over 5 and a half years old and still going
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Going through I'm surprised how much stuff in this thread actually got finished,
although there's a good few things in here I'm certainly sad didn't make it in the end.
- City 33
(Horizontal distance got obscene, but still one I'm thematically interested in)
- 'Vertical City'
(5 different versions, only one really felt alright, but christ city maps are difficult beasts)
- L4D2 Firestarter Campaign
(still planning on it, mind you)
- All the WW3RP maps
(like 90% of them come from me misinterpreting what stasiland was going to be)
- New Refuge
(Blew the Displacement budget in the first area like an idiot)
Hopefully my Fallout 4 project doesn't join the pile, want to go back and empty 'the list' rather than expand on it.
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Been doing overtime at work recently so not as much progress as I'd like, still got some things in.
Bit of grass plain beside watchpoint 9, setup to be a wolf den encounter.
Likely going to add a small cave interior to this to link up more alternative approaches for the demo quest, but for now it sets up a combat encounter for the wolves to take advantage of the grass and dense foliage to ambush players.
Connecting to this, I've added a quick hunter trap, trip wire between the cliff path that drops a grenade bouquet from the suspended tree.
Meant to be more obvious to players this time around at least, more built to scare off the nearby wolves.
Work right now is mostly less involved landscape work, only a tiny chunk of empty terrain between the two areas I've done, so want to bridge them together to have the experience so far feel less segmented and more distinctly open world.
Bit of grass plain beside watchpoint 9, setup to be a wolf den encounter.
Likely going to add a small cave interior to this to link up more alternative approaches for the demo quest, but for now it sets up a combat encounter for the wolves to take advantage of the grass and dense foliage to ambush players.
Connecting to this, I've added a quick hunter trap, trip wire between the cliff path that drops a grenade bouquet from the suspended tree.
Meant to be more obvious to players this time around at least, more built to scare off the nearby wolves.
Work right now is mostly less involved landscape work, only a tiny chunk of empty terrain between the two areas I've done, so want to bridge them together to have the experience so far feel less segmented and more distinctly open world.
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I've not shown much lately, had a couple weeks off the project while some life things were going on, plus dragons dogma, plus wanting a small break to pace myself anyway.
I've been back to it lately and got some screenshots too (through steam uploads instead of discord, since those have a lifespan of a couple weeks)
On the south west part of the map is the starting place for the campaign, as mentioned before the mod is meant to be a standalone mini-campaign, so this would be fresh start, lvl 1 with specific starting items, additionally this is catered more towards survival mode as well, so I have started roaming the existing map with that enabled, see travel times and available resources.
For world building updates, there are two locations being setup currently
South west Tunnel - The means of how the player entered the game world whilst they were a stowaway aboard the steel trail's locomotive, the tunnel out of the valley is highly radioactive so leaving on foot is not a option.
there are a few structures to scavenge from however, and a derailed line of trains, which may have some residents.
Steel Trail Railyard - The faction HQ for the 'Steel Trail Nomads', one of the new factions I'm writing up as part of the project, they're a nomadic tribe travelling the continent along the old railways. while they're in the valley they've setup in a old railyard, and this serves as the player's starting location.
Work on it so far has mostly just been shelling the buildings and getting a idea for the total space used. I still need to populate the area and properly introduce the faction's identity into the space, but I've started some work towards it.
This was funnily enough the location I did first some time ago on a older version of the game world, but mistakes I made broke it, so this will be my second crack at things.
Additionally as part of the mod I've been removing many of the loading screen messages related to fallout 4 factions and commonwealth lore, and started to populate the list with my own stuff.
Outside of one joke ending idea, I'm trying to focus solely on new factions and groups, I had done a partial rewrite/ overhaul to the mod story plans with @welcome to the Retirement some time previously to help achieve that, where previous I was trying to cram pretty much every game's factions into one place, we've gotten rid of them entirely, and personally I think that's for the best.
For these loading screens, I'm using them as a opportunity to help build up the new factions, and give some lore snippets.
I'll include the seven for the Steel trail nomads in a spoiler. these will appear randomly during loading.
I've been back to it lately and got some screenshots too (through steam uploads instead of discord, since those have a lifespan of a couple weeks)
On the south west part of the map is the starting place for the campaign, as mentioned before the mod is meant to be a standalone mini-campaign, so this would be fresh start, lvl 1 with specific starting items, additionally this is catered more towards survival mode as well, so I have started roaming the existing map with that enabled, see travel times and available resources.
For world building updates, there are two locations being setup currently
South west Tunnel - The means of how the player entered the game world whilst they were a stowaway aboard the steel trail's locomotive, the tunnel out of the valley is highly radioactive so leaving on foot is not a option.
there are a few structures to scavenge from however, and a derailed line of trains, which may have some residents.
Steel Trail Railyard - The faction HQ for the 'Steel Trail Nomads', one of the new factions I'm writing up as part of the project, they're a nomadic tribe travelling the continent along the old railways. while they're in the valley they've setup in a old railyard, and this serves as the player's starting location.
Work on it so far has mostly just been shelling the buildings and getting a idea for the total space used. I still need to populate the area and properly introduce the faction's identity into the space, but I've started some work towards it.
This was funnily enough the location I did first some time ago on a older version of the game world, but mistakes I made broke it, so this will be my second crack at things.
Additionally as part of the mod I've been removing many of the loading screen messages related to fallout 4 factions and commonwealth lore, and started to populate the list with my own stuff.
Outside of one joke ending idea, I'm trying to focus solely on new factions and groups, I had done a partial rewrite/ overhaul to the mod story plans with @welcome to the Retirement some time previously to help achieve that, where previous I was trying to cram pretty much every game's factions into one place, we've gotten rid of them entirely, and personally I think that's for the best.
For these loading screens, I'm using them as a opportunity to help build up the new factions, and give some lore snippets.
I'll include the seven for the Steel trail nomads in a spoiler. these will appear randomly during loading.
"The Steel Trail Nomads are a tribe formed around pre-war train locomotives. in which they have toured the remains of North America for generations."
"If you are fortunate enough to come across the steel trail nomads during one of their stops, they serve as one of the fastest means to travel the wastelands to date, with only the rare few vertiberds able to beat it"
"The Steel trail have made many friends during their travels... alongside many enemies, Tech hunters and brotherhood chapters consider their locomotives as a worthy prize to claim, and have fought the nomad families on many occasions."
"Members of the Steel trail are split up into Rail seekers, Runners and Navigators, based on experience and achiements within the tribe. All of which follow the guidance of the Trail Master, who commands the locomotive and directs the course."
"Core to the Steel Trail's beliefs focus onto the pre-war railways, the majority of members are taught on the repair and maintenance of their locomotives and the tracks they run on, the tribe has, through it's many families, rebuilt hundreds of miles of track."
"While many late members do not have a religious interest in the tribe, those raised within the steel trail respect the pre-war tracks with divinity, "
"Oh great Journeymen, while your bodies may be of bone and dust, within these boundless trails of steel, your spirits run free" - the Trail Master
"If you are fortunate enough to come across the steel trail nomads during one of their stops, they serve as one of the fastest means to travel the wastelands to date, with only the rare few vertiberds able to beat it"
"The Steel trail have made many friends during their travels... alongside many enemies, Tech hunters and brotherhood chapters consider their locomotives as a worthy prize to claim, and have fought the nomad families on many occasions."
"Members of the Steel trail are split up into Rail seekers, Runners and Navigators, based on experience and achiements within the tribe. All of which follow the guidance of the Trail Master, who commands the locomotive and directs the course."
"Core to the Steel Trail's beliefs focus onto the pre-war railways, the majority of members are taught on the repair and maintenance of their locomotives and the tracks they run on, the tribe has, through it's many families, rebuilt hundreds of miles of track."
"While many late members do not have a religious interest in the tribe, those raised within the steel trail respect the pre-war tracks with divinity, "
"Oh great Journeymen, while your bodies may be of bone and dust, within these boundless trails of steel, your spirits run free" - the Trail Master
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Good call scaling back faction involvement stuff honestlyI've not shown much lately, had a couple weeks off the project while some life things were going on, plus dragons dogma, plus wanting a small break to pace myself anyway.
I've been back to it lately and got some screenshots too (through steam uploads instead of discord, since those have a lifespan of a couple weeks)
On the south west part of the map is the starting place for the campaign, as mentioned before the mod is meant to be a standalone mini-campaign, so this would be fresh start, lvl 1 with specific starting items, additionally this is catered more towards survival mode as well, so I have started roaming the existing map with that enabled, see travel times and available resources.
For world building updates, there are two locations being setup currently
South west Tunnel - The means of how the player entered the game world whilst they were a stowaway aboard the steel trail's locomotive, the tunnel out of the valley is highly radioactive so leaving on foot is not a option.
there are a few structures to scavenge from however, and a derailed line of trains, which may have some residents.
Steel Trail Railyard - The faction HQ for the 'Steel Trail Nomads', one of the new factions I'm writing up as part of the project, they're a nomadic tribe travelling the continent along the old railways. while they're in the valley they've setup in a old railyard, and this serves as the player's starting location.
Work on it so far has mostly just been shelling the buildings and getting a idea for the total space used. I still need to populate the area and properly introduce the faction's identity into the space, but I've started some work towards it.
This was funnily enough the location I did first some time ago on a older version of the game world, but mistakes I made broke it, so this will be my second crack at things.
Additionally as part of the mod I've been removing many of the loading screen messages related to fallout 4 factions and commonwealth lore, and started to populate the list with my own stuff.
Outside of one joke ending idea, I'm trying to focus solely on new factions and groups, I had done a partial rewrite/ overhaul to the mod story plans with @welcome to the Retirement some time previously to help achieve that, where previous I was trying to cram pretty much every game's factions into one place, we've gotten rid of them entirely, and personally I think that's for the best.
For these loading screens, I'm using them as a opportunity to help build up the new factions, and give some lore snippets.
I'll include the seven for the Steel trail nomads in a spoiler. these will appear randomly during loading.
"The Steel Trail Nomads are a tribe formed around pre-war train locomotives. in which they have toured the remains of North America for generations."
"If you are fortunate enough to come across the steel trail nomads during one of their stops, they serve as one of the fastest means to travel the wastelands to date, with only the rare few vertiberds able to beat it"
"The Steel trail have made many friends during their travels... alongside many enemies, Tech hunters and brotherhood chapters consider their locomotives as a worthy prize to claim, and have fought the nomad families on many occasions."
"Members of the Steel trail are split up into Rail seekers, Runners and Navigators, based on experience and achiements within the tribe. All of which follow the guidance of the Trail Master, who commands the locomotive and directs the course."
"Core to the Steel Trail's beliefs focus onto the pre-war railways, the majority of members are taught on the repair and maintenance of their locomotives and the tracks they run on, the tribe has, through it's many families, rebuilt hundreds of miles of track."
"While many late members do not have a religious interest in the tribe, those raised within the steel trail respect the pre-war tracks with divinity, "
"Oh great Journeymen, while your bodies may be of bone and dust, within these boundless trails of steel, your spirits run free" - the Trail Master
A lot of fallout mods I see always try to cram all the factions people like in even if they don't fit. Not everything has to be fucking BOS Legion NCR Enclave etc.
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Pretty proud of myself tonight
For context, just under a year ago, there was the 1st version of my fallout 4 project's worldspace, all I did within it's lifetime was a early version of the steel trail railyard, and a collapsed tunnel up north. But during my screwing around, I tried my hand at worldspace LOD, which allows you to see beyond what is immediately loaded.
I fucked this up really badly, a mix of problems with how the tools were built, and my severe lack of foresight with making backups.
The result gave me a broken worldspace lod that also set my entire map llandscape back to default, taking away all the terrain edits done.
that essentially killed the old iteration.
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More recently the new map has gotten large enough that not having that LOD is starting to become an issue, as landmarks can't be seen at range, and I can't get an idea for how the horizon looks, plus it makes some of the more open areas look terrible in gameplay, hurts the exploration aspects.
Tonight, after a few weeks of looking at the process again off an on, I finally buckled down, made several backups and tried the process again. and with community tools doing a damn good job, I have a working, decent quality lod of my mod's worldspace.
Which means I can stop tactically placing my camera to hide the draw distance, and show you some distance screenshots of the map so far!
This is definitely more of a milestone for myself, I had been absolutely terrified of doing this for so long, despite how much I needed it to iterate with.
There has been one thing broken, the mini-map for showing locations, I will need to fix the offsets in the world settings, but that is thankfully a relatively minor update. (it still used the default commonwealth map, but it allowed you to fast travel in my worldspace.)
For context, just under a year ago, there was the 1st version of my fallout 4 project's worldspace, all I did within it's lifetime was a early version of the steel trail railyard, and a collapsed tunnel up north. But during my screwing around, I tried my hand at worldspace LOD, which allows you to see beyond what is immediately loaded.
I fucked this up really badly, a mix of problems with how the tools were built, and my severe lack of foresight with making backups.
The result gave me a broken worldspace lod that also set my entire map llandscape back to default, taking away all the terrain edits done.
that essentially killed the old iteration.
RIP iteration 1 from 2023, we've come a long way since but I've not forgotten your sacrifice
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More recently the new map has gotten large enough that not having that LOD is starting to become an issue, as landmarks can't be seen at range, and I can't get an idea for how the horizon looks, plus it makes some of the more open areas look terrible in gameplay, hurts the exploration aspects.
Tonight, after a few weeks of looking at the process again off an on, I finally buckled down, made several backups and tried the process again. and with community tools doing a damn good job, I have a working, decent quality lod of my mod's worldspace.
Which means I can stop tactically placing my camera to hide the draw distance, and show you some distance screenshots of the map so far!
This is definitely more of a milestone for myself, I had been absolutely terrified of doing this for so long, despite how much I needed it to iterate with.
There has been one thing broken, the mini-map for showing locations, I will need to fix the offsets in the world settings, but that is thankfully a relatively minor update. (it still used the default commonwealth map, but it allowed you to fast travel in my worldspace.)
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Been taking some time to look at the short term situation.
- the fallout 4 script extender will be out of commission for a while, which also means the XDI dialogue interface is as well. that will prevent me from at least testing quest and character dialogue for a little while, at worst will prevent me from setting up the dialogue to test when it's fixed, need to look into that more.
- All of the new addon content in the game are stored in their own separate master files, bit of a pain in the butt to deal with as when they're enabled they auto trigger a bunch of quests, I'd fancy using many of the assets in them so I would have to add them to the dependencies list of my mod to disable their quests for the campaign.
- They broke the landscaping tools for now it would appear, cannot edit landscapes without the grass disappearing the landscape no longer correctly receiving lighting. hopefully a local break. shouldn't impact anyone playing the game, you have to cause the landscapes to update in the creation kit for it to happen. big pain since my project is mostly open outdoor landscapes.
- the fallout 4 script extender will be out of commission for a while, which also means the XDI dialogue interface is as well. that will prevent me from at least testing quest and character dialogue for a little while, at worst will prevent me from setting up the dialogue to test when it's fixed, need to look into that more.
- All of the new addon content in the game are stored in their own separate master files, bit of a pain in the butt to deal with as when they're enabled they auto trigger a bunch of quests, I'd fancy using many of the assets in them so I would have to add them to the dependencies list of my mod to disable their quests for the campaign.
- They broke the landscaping tools for now it would appear, cannot edit landscapes without the grass disappearing the landscape no longer correctly receiving lighting. hopefully a local break. shouldn't impact anyone playing the game, you have to cause the landscapes to update in the creation kit for it to happen. big pain since my project is mostly open outdoor landscapes.
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