Trump breaks down the fall of the Soviet Union

[Angel]

 

[GenericPlayer]

is he alright

 

[Angel]

is he alright

according to this mister, yes

 

[Postal]

he needs history lessons

 

[axido]

@Husky please confirm

 

[Ond]

truly changed my perspective

 

[Rabid]

 

[Postal]

what war is he gonna talk about next

a war that they lost against a poor country with a bunch of ricebois known as vietcong

 

[Angel]

truly changed my perspective

me right now

 

[Luft]

someone count how many times he said russia and bankrupt

 

[Angel]

someone count how many times he said russia and bankrupt

i miss this guy

 

[Hushhx]

I mean, I don't really think Afghanistan had anything to do with the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. They went into the Middle East in an attempt to gain more influence, and create and thus fund the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan. The Soviet Union collapsed due to western sanctions made by the stinky bourgeoisie and the incompetence of the dreaded Mr Gorbachev.

The only reason America went into the Middle East, and gifted the Islamic extremist groups we see today with weapons, was to halt the spread of socialism in the Middle East. What even was that video.. Small brains plays

Spoiler: a

 

[Husky]

@Husky please confirm

There's so much wrong with what he said oh my lord.

A) Fighting in Afghanistan did not Bankrupt the Soviet Union, their military expenditure and Gorbachov selling the Soviets to the US is what bankrupted it. Man just straight up sold a union of countries.

B) The Soviets fought in Afghanistan as the US was backing rebel movements in Afghanistan, the Mujahadeen, later the parts the US funded would become the Taliban (It's important to note that the Mujahadeen and Taliban are two seperate things, but the Taliban were Mujahadeen and could technically still be called Mujahadeen, essentially, not all mujahadeen are taliban but all taliban are mujahadeen, the word essentially means soldiers in their language, or rather, a militant or militant force.).

What happened was that Afghanistan was essentially under a puppet socialist government and then the US backed rebels to that which de-stabalised the region, then Soviets sent in troops to secure Afghan and get rid of the rebels. They fucked up in doing that, they were terrible at CQC and couldn't win a hearts and minds campaign at all with the locals.

C) Russia was always called Russia, Russia's name during the Soviet Era was the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic (RSFSR)

The Soviet Union was exactly that, a Union of Soviet nations.


TL:DR: Trump is a brainlet.

 

[Ond]

I mean, I don't really think Afghanistan had anything to do with the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. They went into the Middle East in an attempt to gain more influence, and create and thus fund the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan. The Soviet Union collapsed due to western sanctions made by the stinky bourgeoisie and the incompetence of the dreaded Mr Gorbachev.

The only reason America went into the Middle East, and gifted the Islamic extremist groups we see today with weapons, was to halt the spread of socialism in the Middle East. What even was that video.. Small brains plays

Spoiler: a

Afghanistan was a contributing factor but to say the soviet union collapsed as a result of it is simplifying the problem to a point where its objectively wrong

 

[Hushhx]

Gorbachov selling the Soviets to the US

What a stinker, he also re-established a capitalist economic system during the late 80s, too. Worst soviet election ever.

 

[Mancom37]

I think he confused how the arms race was the actual factor that did lead to a huge economical damage in the USSR during Brezhnev with military spending in a guerrilla war.

I guess I can understand where that error comes from since we do all know how easily you can cause economic damage to the US forces by destroying a M1 Abrams when compared to a T62.

 

[MaelRadecs]

TL:smiley:R: Trump is a brainlet.

And you aren't?

 

[Hushhx]

And you aren't?

Don't be so mean, yank.

 

[Husky]

What a stinker, he also re-established a capitalist economic system during the late 80s, too. Worst soviet election ever.

Oh the soviets employed a capitalistic economic policy in the 1950's when Stalin started radical privatisation of farmland as an experiment, it ended in disaster though, with private firms working for profit rather then to provide a service and with the severing, or rather, middle-man-ship of the central commitee to the farmers made it a lot harder to control outputs, although that did have it's ups and downs too (For reference, During the holodomor famine Stalin got extremely worried about crop outputs and ordered his scientists to find out which day of the year was the best to harvest, they said a date and Stalin demanded that farmers harvest on that day, although that caused a terrible shit storm of beurocracy as crop yields dropped as a result because to apply the same day over such a vast area was just insidiously stupid and was only done out of sheer panick.)

Source for the 1950's: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/1994/01/1994_bpeamicro_joskow.pdf

"In pursuit of these objectives, reforms during the 1950s reduced the number of state-owned enterprises in the FSU from more than 200,000 to roughly 45,000 and eliminated very small cooperative establishments. The reforms of the early 1970s that brought many enterprises into production and industrial associations were an attempt to concentrate industrial production further and to enhance product specialization without loss of economies of scope"

And the CIA assessed the effects of this privatisation on Russia as detailed below:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000231759.pdf

And here's an Essay on it by Stephan Bell:
http://www.bannedthought.net/USSR/M...tionOfCapitalismInSovietUnionIn1950s-Ball.pdf

Although it is worth stating: State ownership=/=Socialism/Communism. What's important to note is the elimination of co-operatives and I suppose you could take the de-nationalisation as an indication of a move away from Stalin's socialist goals.

Oh, ammendment: It wasn't Stalin who de-regulised as I stated earlier, it was Khrushchev. Although Stalin did abolish the New Economic Policy which was written by Lenin to progress the Soviets onto a more socialist path, which Stalin abolished 2 years after Lenin's death and didn't pursue, rather going for industrialisation efforts and imperialistic gains in the Balkans and Finland.

 

[afric]

too many beans

- gorbachev on fall of ussr