the last of us part II (potential spoilers ahead)

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yeah, but theres a small chance that you dont die from a headshot. i think she'd have more reason to act the way abby does then abby

as demonstrated by
tommy getting fucking brained and surviving
 
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Ten minutes of LOU2 memes
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Oh no! We're too late. These people have been infected, they may look fine now but it's matter until they release TLOU 3.

This entire game studio must be purged.

Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow me the rest of you get out of my sight.
 
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After watching tyler1’s playthrough of the game it got me thinking. Maybe I’m still just in denial of how bad the story is, but I seriously think the entire game would make more sense if literally were a dream/series of dreams or at least a manifestation of Ellie’s emotions after Joel told her the truth. Once she found out Joel saved her from the hospital, he was basically dead to her. What do you do when you absolutely hate someone? Envision them ruthlessly dying in an unrealistic manner. Then, as time goes on, she continues to try to fight off justifying and accepting Joel’s actions, but all it does it make her even worse off as she envisions people around her dying, leaving, and changing for the worse. At the end of the game, Ellie is absurdly fucked up and once she realizes that trying to hate Joel is pointless (which would be the final fight between Ellie and Abby where neither of them win) and will only result in more pain for herself, she finally gives in. It just so happens that right after this, the cutscene where Ellie forgives Joel takes place. Her mind finally lets go of the grudge and is represented by the final shot of her walking off into the distance. This could definitely be fleshed out a bit more, but it’s at least my interpretation of the game

Then again maybe the story just sucks idk
 

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The game is really good. I love Abby as a character. It makes sense why she's ripped, she is able to get a reliable food source and there's a gym next to her room!

The twist that she was the surgeon's daughter is brilliant imo. When I played TLOU1, I blew all of their heads off and I felt really bad about it. I love how the narrative switches showing the Wolves in a more sympathetic light. This game is good at portraying everyone in both a negative and positive light.

Except the Scars. Fuck them.
 
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Abby is almost universally hated, how does one person taking liking to the character turn you into "oh god this world is so fucked" tier doomer?
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didn't say the world was ever fucked, i just don't agree with the take. yes, i think it's a bad take. do i dislike the person because of their opinion? no, they're entitled to it, but that doesn't mean i can't disagree with it.
 

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Abby is almost universally hated, how does one person taking liking to the character turn you into "oh god this world is so fucked" tier doomer?
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didn't say the world was ever fucked, i just don't agree with the take. yes, i think it's a bad take. do i dislike the person because of their opinion? no, they're entitled to it, but that doesn't mean i can't disagree with it.
thats you telt
 

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didn't say the world was ever fucked, i just don't agree with the take. yes, i think it's a bad take. do i dislike the person because of their opinion? no, they're entitled to it, but that doesn't mean i can't disagree with it.

but why? I don’t see what’s wrong with her?
 

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but why? I don’t see what’s wrong with her?
ah yes, please come and beat the beloved character i played in the first game to death with a golf club within two hours of starting up! what part of that is likable? it doesn't help that she demonstrates zero remorse in the game when juxtaposed with ellie. oh, your girlfriend whose throat i'm about to slit is pregnant? "good"

abby's a shoehorned in villain born from an inconsequential npc and she's introduced in the worst way possible. perhaps if they tried to get you to sympathize with her BEFORE brutally torturing and murdering joel, things could have been different, but no. that's not what happened. naughty dog tries so hard to get you to like her, but for most, it fails miserably.

the fact that they make you play as her to beat ellie to a fucking pulp just baffles me.
 

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ah yes, please come and beat the beloved character i played in the first game to death with a golf club within two hours of starting up! what part of that is likable? it doesn't help that she demonstrates zero remorse in the game when juxtaposed with ellie. oh, your girlfriend whose throat i'm about to slit is pregnant? "good"

abby's a shoehorned in villain born from an inconsequential npc and she's introduced in the worst way possible. perhaps if they tried to get you to sympathize with her BEFORE brutally torturing and murdering joel, things could have been different, but no. that's not what happened. naughty dog tries so hard to get you to like her, but for most, it fails miserably.

the fact that they make you play as her to beat ellie to a fucking pulp just baffles me.

Ellie did the exact same thing though. Isn’t it fair at that point?
 

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Ellie did the exact same thing though. Isn’t it fair at that point?
when ellie found out she killed a pregnant person, she was all over the fuckin place, crying and vomiting. you don't see any of that from abby no matter what she does. she went from discussing the morality of joel's death to getting dry humped from behind by a neil cuckmann insert
 
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when ellie found out she killed a pregnant person, she was all over the fuckin place, crying and vomiting. you don't see any of that from abby no matter what she does. she went from discussing the morality of joel's death to getting dry humped from behind by a neil cuckmann insert
she's remorseless but I don't think that makes her a bad character, unlikable maybe but still a decent character overall.
 
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One thing I've noticed is a lot of you who seem to like abby see the world in a very black and white kind of way
I disagree, I'd say it's more the other way around. I dislike the plot and the way she's introduced as much as anyone else but just because she's an unlikable character doesn't make her a bad character
 
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I disagree, I'd say it's more the other way around. I dislike the plot and the way she's introduced as much as anyone else but just because she's an unlikable character doesn't make her a bad character
Her actor was great but she seriously had zero charm and had like, zero unique qualities other than being swole. She's a dislikable character and equally is inherently a bad character in the sense that she feels out of place in the story and the fact you're forced to play as her.

Here are a few reasons why it's hard for me to care about her/not root for Ellie to kill Abby throughout the entire game:

  1. Has the desire to kill a man for 4 years without any second thought, risking not only the lives of the people she brings with her to do so (which all die btw) but the WLF as a whole
  2. Betrays the organization that kept her fed, sheltered, and roided and kills multiple of them. Additionally gets the WLF leader killed/injured
  3. Fucks a drunk guy who has a pregnant girlfriend
  4. Would have gladly killed a pregnant woman if not for Lev
 
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