Slavic union

[GenericPlayer]

Some pressure groups do it to get their agenda in when no other methods work.

The majority of groups that do this however are corporations. If you send a petition to a corporation then all that'll happen is you get ignored. I don't see how democratic voting and the such prevents this.

 

[Husky]

The majority of groups that do this however are corporations. If you send a petition to a corporation then all that'll happen is you get ignored. I don't see how democratic voting and the such prevents this.

Because under democracy every vote is the same, rich or poor.

 

[GenericPlayer]

Because under democracy every vote is the same, rich or poor.

But they aren't, as you just proved with lobbying.

 

[Husky]

But they aren't, as you just proved with lobbying.

Nah, root of the problem is FPTP voting, we need AV voting.

 

[GenericPlayer]

Nah, root of the problem is FPTP voting, we need AV voting.

How many votes get passed doesn't matter if the people who count the votes are bought out. Or if the party you voted for suddenly changes narrative because they were given a sum of a few hundred thousand pounds.

 

[Husky]

How many votes get passed doesn't matter if the people who count the votes are bought out. Or if the party you voted for suddenly changes narrative because they were given a sum of a few hundred thousand pounds.

@Tony Benn

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

Yes, American generals are not smart.

Let's take a recent example, Afghanistan, how did Americans attempt to conquer the taliban? Murder anyone and everyone that's with them, they won the battles, they have lost the war. British had the right idea of trying to get hearts and minds but this had limited effect.
Vietnam, how did Americans try to win? Bomb them into submission and send in a ton of forces, once land based warfare failed they went for kill count to win, they lost.

American soldiers and generels rely on "We have more men then you do." We know this as when Montgomery was commanding American tank units they were terrified of fighting the enemy when they had less men, Montgomery convinced them that their quality was superior and was able to use their strenghs rather then their numbers, which was what the Americans relied on during world war two (and in part their industrialisation.)

EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID

i really hope you don't write history academically

America is one of the key reasons Britain won both World Wars.

America has produced some of the best Military minds of the 20th Century (John Pershing, for example).

Vietnam and Afghanistan were lost for completely different reasons.

Please read a book.

 

[Zak]

Vietnam and Afghanistan were lost for completely different reasons.

when you fight a war that has awful public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support

 

[Akula]

when you fight a war that has awful public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support which leads to reductions in funding which leads to poorer conditions which leads to increased losses which leads to worse public support

more like when depsite all the roadblocks you manage to crush the VC as a fighting force and so badly maul the NVA that you force North Vietnam to the negotiationg table, secure a peace agreement that ensures the survival of South Vietnam, with a UN approved ceasefire and the clause that the US can supply the ARVN piece for piece, so you withdraw your military forces pretty much having secured your objective of protecting South Vietnam from Communism, but then the democratic-majority congress decides they don't like keeping promises and pulls all funding from military aid to ARVN, which without spare parts, ammunition or fuel lose their major advantage over the NVA, who blatantly disregard the agreed-upon cease fire and steamroll the sitting duck ARVN, effectively taking over South Vietnam.

 

[tera]

I've read a lot of dumb shit in my life but ngl the arguments that Husky brought up makes me want to reconsider the top dumb shit I've read.

To say Americans are useless/shit, come on really? Are you one of those edgy "FUCK MURICA" kids?
North Africa victories?
Invasion of italy?
D-Day?
Battle of the Bulge?
The FUCKING pacific theater?

Not to mention their supply support to both brits and soviets. All three allies were vital to the war against axis

 

[Spine]

To connect South Slavs with North Slavs the Romanian coast would have to be annexed.

Give Basarabia back, Give the southern part of Dobrogea back from Bulgaria ( @medley ) and we will be ally without starting a fucking world war.

Sorry for bad London

 

[Edgelord Freeman]

Holy fuck at the beginning it was all cool but I guess the intense non topic "arguments" had to came

 

[Ond]

Holy fuck at the beginning it was all cool but I guess the intense non topic "arguments" had to came

when you have slavaboos angloposting to the extent that we've seen you cant blame us

 

[PilotBland]

Communism is awesome in theory but sucks in
practice
It will never work.

"here's countries that were communist and sucked"
"not real communism"
?????

 

[GenericPlayer]

"here's countries that were communist and sucked"
"not real communism"
?????

le strawman~~

There's transitional stages in certain forms of Socialism/Communism. In most countries it was applied to, the country was a massive shithole beforehand (For example the Tsarist Empire).

Also I could name a bunch of failed Republican movements and shitty capitalist nations but it doesn't make a good argument on an ideological basis.

 

[Akula]

late mem

 

[Septimis]

the eternal anglo strikes again

 

[Rengar]

Slavs were better off under Turkish rule...

 

[Septimis]

Slavs were better off under Turkish rule...

not very wrong ngl

 

[Rengar]

not very wrong ngl

it's actually true. Turkey was more tolerant 300 years ago. We allowed people to keep their religion, culture, language and etc. Ottoman empire was good till abdülmahid the second... btw he definitely did not genocide!