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yeah but I don't run games w/ EAC or BE on my main machine eitherYep, that's what happens when cheats also run in ring 0
See also: easy anti cheat, battleye. You're touting "RING 0" and "KERNEL ACCESS" as if this hasn't been done for literal years already
Anti cheats need to be enigmatic for the purpose of making it harder for cheat makers to bypass it, so we can only go by the brief summary of what the company says it does, and anything we can find from external observation (wireshark and etc)
Most anti cheats have issues with VMs since cheats can then just run in the host machine to make it impossible to detect other than using less holistic detection techniques like basic memory scanning/integrity checking and stuff
The same thing happened when random idiots that don't understand how apps work were complaining about the epic games store launcher and how it was spyware. They just latch onto a small and very oversimplified idea (in this case it's "it has K E R N E L L E V E L A C C E S S it will steal your data because of china!!") without understanding why it's needed. I don't agree that it should, but it's needed to be effective whatsoever.
There isn't that much more data to siphon from your computer if an app has root privileges, since the data you'd likely want private is stored in regular userland. In other words, accessible by any regular app anyway. The main concern with root privileges is being able to modify core system stuff to render your OS useless, so it's more concerning with actual malware that wants to destroy your pc than an anti cheat.
Apparently valorant's anti cheat is piss easy to bypass atm, but it's speculated that they're just collecting usage data and waiting until launch to fully enable it (could be bullshit but idk)
Where's the big bold disclaimer for any of these games, their anti cheats do the same thing?
https://www.easy.ac/en-us/partners/#games-list
https://www.battleye.com/#logos
Manual review takes too long and is frustrating for the players since they have to take mmr hits and sit through an entire half hour game with a guaranteed loss waiting at the end. There will simply be too much gameplay to look through - you literally cannot hire enough people to review the millions of games that are going to be played in valorant, so you'll have to leverage the players themselves to look through games like csgo's overwatch. Except hold on a sec, you can't really trust players that much so you have to limit who is allowed to look through cases. There goes like half the effectiveness. Then you can't even really be sure that people aren't just bullshitting anyway, so you need to have multiple people look through the same cases to make a judgement. Even after all that, you need to have some leniency because maybe it's just someone who's really good and looks like they're cheating but aren't
It's a good idea but the logistics make it much less effective - this is why you can still cheat a good handful of games within a certain time period in csgo without being punished (UNLESS the anti cheat picks it up)
the reason a lot of people are upset THIS time is because vanguard runs in the background 24/7, not necessarily just because it has root access. the only people saying anything purely about vanguard's kernel driver are either ill-informed or strawmanning legitimate concerns with the security risks that come with popular, proprietary ring-0 software running whenever the computer is on. i personally do not have faith in RIOT's ability to prevent exploits in their own product, no matter how much they insist that vanguard was audited by (unnamed) comp sec companies