Serious The Downfall of WW3RP: From the perspective of one of the common folk

[Eviction Notice]

all I can say to future roleplay healers, make sure you and the patient have fun, make it an interactive experience not just a visual novel

Literally just have conversations with your patient as you perform actions, keep them involved. If they're able to realistically, have them help out themselves. It's an RP between two players, if they're also engaged, you're doing it right. Good shout Northgate.

 

[Ond]

honestly, I think this might be the key issue. a lot of behind the scenes issues and such, but what truly destroys a player base is when people stop doing it for roleplay and only do it for their own fun. I think fun is an essential aspect in roleplay, but the moment it's only fun for you it turns ugly fast. not everyone can always win, but when the experience gets ruined because you wanna enjoy yourself, it's over.

If the game isn’t fun, why play it

 

[mårten]

If the game isn’t fun, why play it

you can have fun without making the experience trash for everyone else, it's a give and take thing when it comes to RP, you're not the main character and everyone else are not background pawns

 

[Ond]

you can have fun without making the experience trash for everyone else, it's a give and take thing when it comes to RP, you're not the main character and everyone else are not background pawns

Playing civilian on that server (where RP mostly was an afterthought on both sides) was the most fun experience you could have

 

[Northgate]

If the game isn’t fun, why play it

fun =/= ruining the experience for others

you're spot on, if a game isn't fun there is absolutely zero reason to play it. roleplay can't always be enjoyed by all parties due to the nature of conflict and all that, but what happened in WW3RP is that people pumped throwaways in the early days and shot around, which eventually led to hardcore restrictions on the civilian faction which killed it, although that can partially be blamed on mass complaints.

 

[Rabid]

Nobody minds people having fun, and the majority of the civillian population early on didn't take things too far.

But when you go out of your way to intentionally bomb absolutely any attempt to make roleplay outside of the middle of the faction base and laugh when people complain on the forums before quitting when you directly cause nerfs to the faction you enjoyed? You are, in fact, a cunt.

 

[Ond]

There’s literally nothing wrong with throwing molotovs at patrols and IEDing guys in the field

Its fucking hilarious

 

['77 East]

Insurgents (and not 'civilians') should have been a whitelisted thing again, handed out if you could simply prove that your civilian had decent reason to go gung-ho crazy, just to weed out the 30% of retards who knew they were being stupid with it and went out of their way to abuse shit (props, PET, etc) to get banter points in the killings.

 

[bilack]

Literally just have conversations with your patient as you perform actions, keep them involved. If they're able to realistically, have them help out themselves. It's an RP between two players, if they're also engaged, you're doing it right. Good shout Northgate.

reminds me of the vent grenade incident and the follow-up..... that was a very good example of what you have just said

 

[Akula]

civilian "roleplayer" on their way to "passive" with NATO in the first few weeks of the server

honestly now that I think about it maybe 70% of NATO characters being blood crazed warcrime hungry monsters was actually kinda justified.

 

[Kleis]

There’s literally nothing wrong with throwing molotovs at patrols and IEDing guys in the field

Its fucking hilarious

I can agree with you but what went on during the first days was a bit too much, made people straight up not bother with civilians, just unrestricted warfare without any real consensus to it. Funnily, some even got killed inside the FOB lol

 

[Kleis]

civilian "roleplayer" on their way to "passive" with NATO in the first few weeks of the server

honestly now that I think about it maybe 70% of NATO characters being blood crazed warcrime hungry monsters was actually kinda justified.

 

[Akula]

anyway if you wanna justify civillians just being a minor third faction that are allowed to just go around and murder anyone they feel like you're probably just accepting the server is a shooting game and literally nothing else which I think is incredibly pessimisstic and fun destroying for anyone who's here for more than that!!! because thats all the "civillian" players were here for in the beginning, being able to kill other players with no real consequences or restrictions whatsoever.

also fuck pilotbrand for suicide bombing my cool passive rp rah grah angry mad

 

[Northgate]

i still remember when I was S40 and my original goal was to set up a civilian refugee camp so people could PassiveRP in a quieter corner of the map and stuff like that

quickly devolved into the Diordna alleyway and that was pretty much just a merc camp and was much more succesful

 

[Akula]

i still remember when I was S40 and my original goal was to set up a civilian refugee camp so people could PassiveRP in a quieter corner of the map and stuff like that

quickly devolved into the Diordna alleyway and that was pretty much just a merc camp and was much more succesful

kinda was the problem tho innit

"civillian" just meant "independant fighter" at some point, but I suppose it was inevitable. At the risk of sounding like a certain server director if people had been playing civillian "right" they'd all be hiding from gunfights and avoiding soldiers like the plague, but practically the only thing that type of playstyle has is pure roleplay which isn't enough for a lot of people.

It was easier for me since I played Coalition and like 80% of these civillian soldiers were on 'our' side (Real American Patriots), but I knew that every time I saw one I basically had to consider them a combatant, not a civillian, and unlike ppl in NATO/Coalition they had practically no rules and no consequences as long as they didn't get caught. I know most of them only cared about losing all the req/gear they'd collected when the risk of PK was broached, not about their characters lol. (not trying to imply faction players are inherently superiour roleplayers, but we had more rules, things to lose, and waaay more scrutiny. We couldn't just decide to solo IED a patrol because we felt like it)

there was just a lot about civillian faction that didn't make a whole lot of sense if you looked at it from a realistic/roleplay point of view.

Why would civillians be in an active warzone?
why would civillians run out into an active gunfight to loot bodies? (this! made! me! so! mad!)

 

[Northgate]

80% of these civillian soldiers were on 'our' side (Real American Patriots

it's so funny to me because we legit did spread propaganda primarily through my wing, but NATO shot themselves in the foot with their aggressive treatment of even your average joe

and of course the fact that we eventually just made it quite clear who we were with


in the end, I believe Civilians should've been a Whitelisted role, and shouldn't have been a "civilian" but truly a Refugee - hell I'd even say if it was more challenging such as by Ironman, the few people that'd have played it would have genuinely contributed a lot. those who did play still gave a lot tho

 

[Trains]

minor inconvenience . Gif

 

[Akula]

it's so funny to me because we legit did spread propaganda primarily through my wing, but NATO shot themselves in the foot with their aggressive treatment of even your average joe

and of course the fact that we eventually just made it quite clear who we were with


in the end, I believe Civilians should've been a Whitelisted role, and shouldn't have been a "civilian" but truly a Refugee - hell I'd even say if it was more challenging such as by Ironman, the few people that'd have played it would have genuinely contributed a lot. those who did play still gave a lot tho

I remember the one time I tried to play NATO Seriously (other than the off-roster corporal the original nato leads authed me for balance at the start of the server, only for it to be taken away by a succeeding lead who immediately assumed i had abused myself that character without even asking why i had it first! still mad! ragh!) I got auths to make a MASH-type doctor character with the assumption I could get some cool passive rp with soldiers and civillians only for me to spawn in the fob and have a bunch of nato soldiers drift into the base in a stolen civillian car with a corpse of some random civillian going "I LOVE WARCRIMES!!! TAIWAN NUMBER ONE!!!" and i just quit the game and didnt try again after that.

 

[Northgate]

I remember the one time I tried to play NATO Seriously (other than the off-roster corporal the original nato leads authed me for balance at the start of the server, only for it to be taken away by a succeeding lead who immediately assumed i had abused myself that character without even asking why i had it first! still mad! ragh!) I got auths to make a MASH-type doctor character with the assumption I could get some cool passive rp with soldiers and civillians only for me to spawn in the fob and have a bunch of nato soldiers drift into the base in a stolen civillian car with a corpse of some random civillian going "I LOVE WARCRIMES!!! TAIWAN NUMBER ONE!!!" and i just quit the game and didnt try again after that.

the consequences of arma influencers has been a disaster for the milsim community

 

[Akula]

the consequences of arma influencers has been a disaster for the milsim community

NATO gave us the best propaganda we could've hoped for