History Thread

[Deleted member 3713]

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“They were so disciplined, they just lay there totally still and I decided to myself they were soldiers. There was a helicopter circling overhead and I don’t know why they didn’t do something, radio to the police or soldiers to come up, because there were these two of their own soldiers.

I can still remember the atmosphere. When I came back in, you could feel it; I knew they were going to be shot. I remember saying to myself I am going to try and stop them doing that if I can.”

The two soldiers were driven less than 200 yards to a waste ground near Penny Lane. There they were taken out of the taxi and shot dead.
Corporal Wood was shot six times: twice in the head and four times in the chest. He had also been stabbed four times in the back of the neck. Howes was shot five times: once in the head and four times in the body.

“There was nobody else, there just the two bodies. I went up to the one on the right. He was still breathing so I tried to give him the kiss of life. Then, after a while, a man came in and stood behind me and said, ‘Look, Father, that man is dead’.

I anointed him and went over to anoint the man who was lying three yards away. Then two women came along with a coat and put it over his head and said, ‘he was somebody’s son’."

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Two men were sentenced to life imprisonment for murder, but were released in 1998 under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement. Several other men received lesser sentences for their part in the corporals killings.​

I'm sorry what's the context? Like is it in britain or?

 

[ddæ]

I'm sorry what's the context? Like is it in britain or?

the corporals killings

 

[afric]

I'm sorry what's the context? Like is it in britain or?

Two soldiers that were murdered on live television, Belfast.

By live television I literally mean that they were killed while the cameras were rolling, one of the worst parts of the troubles.

 

[Deleted member 3713]

Damn, it's weird to think of a western European nation going through this much trouble in the 70's-80's

 

[afric]

Damn, it's weird to think of a western European nation going through this much trouble in the 70's-80's

70's till 1990

Most people in the UK born after 1990 wouldn't have known this happend, or how fucked the majority of the Troubles were.

It's almost surreal that it was so recent.

 

[ddæ]

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[Deleted member 3713]

Spoiler: Graphic.

This priest on the wiki page was reading his rites before the soldier died.

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

The Remembrance Day Bombing, 1987. When the IRA murdered pensioners remembering those who died in WW1 and WW2.

Eleven people were killed, including three married couples.

The dead were Wesley and Bertha Armstrong (aged 62 and 55), Kit and Jessie Johnston (aged 71 and 62), William and Agnes Mullan (aged 74 and 73), John Megaw (67), Alberta Quinton (72), Marie Wilson (20), Samuel Gault (49) and Edward Armstrong (52).

Edward Armstrong was a serving RUC officer and Gault had recently left the force.

Gordon Wilson, whose daughter Marie died in the blast and who was himself injured, went on to become a peace campaigner and member of Seanad Éireann.

The twelfth fatality, Ronnie Hill, died after spending 13 years in a coma.

Sixty-three people were injured, including thirteen children, some of them permanently.

 

[Nömad <3]

The Remembrance Day Bombing, 1987. When the IRA murdered pensioners remembering those who died in WW1 and WW2.

Eleven people were killed, including three married couples.

The dead were Wesley and Bertha Armstrong (aged 62 and 55), Kit and Jessie Johnston (aged 71 and 62), William and Agnes Mullan (aged 74 and 73), John Megaw (67), Alberta Quinton (72), Marie Wilson (20), Samuel Gault (49) and Edward Armstrong (52).

Edward Armstrong was a serving RUC officer and Gault had recently left the force.

Gordon Wilson, whose daughter Marie died in the blast and who was himself injured, went on to become a peace campaigner and member of Seanad Éireann.

The twelfth fatality, Ronnie Hill, died after spending 13 years in a coma.

Sixty-three people were injured, including thirteen children, some of them permanently.

A good point to make that the IRA, from many points and views, went too far. Similar to how there's been a resurgence in the IRA recently too, they alienated possible support that might've been given to them by attacking civilian targets and parades. Good for shock factor, but it's a situation where the candle burns twice as bright for half as long. They shot themselves in the foot repeatedly in the troubles because for as much as many supported their plight they alienated so many more by attacking unconventional targets.

I assume most of us can understand why the IRA did what they did, but I remember being told about this bombing by my dad and it's just so strange to think about. The IRA targeted the old and people who had come to honour the fallen, there's no tactical advantage or positive press coverage in killing old veterans (Also like how they blew up Mountbatten). It's fucked up fear tactics that don't cause fear, just anger.

 

[Dr Heckyll]

when I was down at uni interviews in December I met an Irish applicant and he told me how everyone there has had a relative or at least knows someone whose had a relative killed during the Troubles

 

[Nömad <3]

when I was down at uni interviews in December I met an Irish applicant and he told me how everyone there has had a relative or at least knows someone whose had a relative killed during the Troubles

it impacted everyone, and it impacted nearly everyone for the worst. So little good came of the Irish conflict in the troubles it's almost depressing because many in the IRA genuinely believed their cause was right and it was a means to an end, but instead the only end was being back at square one with a lot more blood on their hands.

 

[Deleted member 1381]

 

[Ond]

Hitler reacts to a kiss from an excited American women at the 1936 Olympic Games

Chinese Werhmacht Soldiers 1940

Berlin Cathedral ca. 1907. View from the Schlossbrücke. From: "Die Welt in Farben : Abteilung 1, Deutschland, Österreich-Ungarn, Italien und die Schweiz." Carl Weller Verlagsanstalt für Farbenfotographie. 1907.

The Campaign in Mandalay February - March 1945: Men of a Sikh regiment clear a Japanese foxhole at Mandalay with machine gun fire after throwing in a phosphorus grenade. Credit : No. 9 Army Film & Photographic Unit

Lee Harvey Oswald, responsible for the assasination of John F. Kennedy, moments before being shot by Jack Ruby as he is escorted in the presence of police detectives to the county jail in 1963

USMC Col Francis Fenton conducting the funeral of his son, Pvt Mike Fenton, Okinawa, 1945

LIFE Magazine photo showing U.S. soldiers of a Long-range Reconnaissance Patrol unit of the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam during Operation Junction City (1967)

Scene of the passing of Diana Princess of Wales in the Pont de l'Alma underpass, Paris, France; 1997-August-31st






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[Luft]

Hitler reacts to a kiss from an excited American women at the 1936 Olympic Games

as brutal and demonic as he was, this is kind of suprising that he actually allowed an american woman get so close on a public occasion

 

[Mancom37]

as brutal and demonic as he was, this is kind of suprising that he actually allowed an american woman get so close on a public occasion

It happened a lot before the War, here is Mussolini speaking towards America.

 

[Raiden]

as brutal and demonic as he was, this is kind of suprising that he actually allowed an american woman get so close on a public occasion

he was probably willing to show some compassion for the americans because he didnt really want to go to war with them

 

[tera]

T - O - R - T - U - R - E

 

[Gabe]

T - O - R - T - U - R - E

I was just watching Ken Burns the Vietnam war documentary and just finished the episode they talked about Denton

 

[Ond]

I was just watching Ken Burns the Vietnam war documentary and just finished the episode they talked about Denton

i couldnt imagine not having seen it fully already

 

[Dr Heckyll]