Serious On Communism.

[Edgelord Freeman]

those guys have more experience and teach the lesser experienced workers how to operate factory equipment, not injuring themselves on said equipment, etc.

Not really, I can from experience say that they do this only when theyre mad as fuck

 

[Gimmie]

Yes but dont tell me there are no places that look like those gypsytowns. Besides, the gypsies aren't the fault of our state, they're the fault of the politicians.

there arent any places over here that looks like those gypsytowns
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This is in Detroit.

The Hague

Shit like this is everywhere my guy.

so i assume you also checked the source of this picture?

https://gyazo.com/1a2464672e6e401f49205cdd7a3eddd3

I did. This is in pripyat. This 'concrete' architecture is normal for Eastern Europe. You will not find concrete giants like this over here. Then again you wouldn't know even though you talk like you do.

 

[Sil]

Communism is good on paper, but bad in practice. If everyone worked together and there were no slackers, then Communism would work.

 

[Benjideaula]

Communism is good on paper, but bad in practice. If everyone worked together and there were no slackers, then Communism would work.

but then there'd still be stagnation due to lack of competition

 

[Sil]

but then there'd still be stagnation due to lack of competition

If society has the best it has, then why have competition?

 

[Ond]

If society has the best it has, then why have competition?

because competition in markets keeps encouraging the development of new and better products for the wide consumer base

without competition they would make a product and leave it at that, even if it was faulty in some regions

 

[Sil]

because competition in markets keeps encouraging the development of new and better products for the wide consumer base

without competition they would make a product and leave it at that, even if it was faulty in some regions

Why not just have all the products be made and sold by the government, which can put some of those profits into developing newer, better versions of that product? Then the competition wouldn't need to exist, right?

 

[Edgelord Freeman]

Communism is good on paper, but bad in practice. If everyone worked together and there were no slackers, then Communism would work.

Exactly what my point is.
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there arent any places over here that looks like those gypsytowns
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so i assume you also checked the source of this picture?

https://gyazo.com/1a2464672e6e401f49205cdd7a3eddd3

I did. This is in pripyat. This 'concrete' architecture is normal for Eastern Europe. You will not find concrete giants like this over here. Then again you wouldn't know even though you talk like you do.

People would of course not take photos of how shit their country is, instead they would piss on the Slavs. Trust me, there are countries far worse than basically any slav country and Im sure you got the old buildings in Netherlands too.

 

[Ond]

Why not just have all the products be made and sold by the government, which can put some of those profits into developing newer, better versions of that product? Then the competition wouldn't need to exist, right?

Okay I'll explain it this way

If there wasn't a need for the British to develop a way to penetrate the German trenchlines during WW1 due to it simply not happening in the first place, then there is a big chance we wouldn't have seen the specific kind of vehicle being developed as quickly

and that goes for planes too


If no new product has to be developed due to there simply not being a need, then it won't happen

think of the "competition" as a form of encouragement

 

[Septimis]

you're all morons

posadism is the way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist

 

[Edgelord Freeman]

Okay I'll explain it this way

If there wasn't a need for the British to develop a way to penetrate the German trenchlines during WW1 due to it simply not happening in the first place, then there is a big chance we wouldn't have seen the specific kind of vehicle being developed as quickly

and that goes for planes too


If no new product has to be developed due to there simply not being a need, then it won't happen

think of the "competition" as a form of encouragement

Why not think of more money from the sells as an encouragement to develop better phones etc.
EDIT: Still you can compete with other countries, i am referring to a socialist state now though, because communism would be extremely hard to achieve peacefully

 

[Ond]

Why not think of more money from the sells as an encouragement to develop better phones etc.

Because if there is no consumer base that sees a different and better product they won't demand better production quality by switching to the other company's product because they simply won't be aware of the fact that a better product can be made in the first place

if the singular company sells a lot of units without competition why spend the extra money developing a new and better product when there is nobody to take your throne in the first place?

 

[All Adm*ns are Bastards]

Communism is good on paper, but bad in practice. If everyone worked together and there were no slackers, then Communism would work.

It's simple: we kill all the role-players. Let them write emotes in Hell. Dead weight, all of them. Dead weight.

 

[TarzanTheJungler]

Ya'll speaking about competition improvements and shit while my internet packets are still delivered separately via donkeys.

Feels like after about page 10 nothing new had popped up. Is there a need to repeat the same statements? I wonder how many of the participants here even read Lenins original books regarding socialism.

 

[Deleted member 374]

technological unemployment and mass automatization is gonna fucking make all your stupid economy bullshit irrelevant in the next century.

 

[Edgelord Freeman]

Because if there is no consumer base that sees a different and better product they won't demand better production quality by switching to the other company's product because they simply won't be aware of the fact that a better product can be made in the first place

if the singular company sells a lot of units without competition why spend the extra money developing a new and better product when there is nobody to take your throne in the first place?

Really if there is something the country NEEDS, like tanks and shit to be prepared for the old good CIA-sent soldiers, then there will be advancements. I don't see no point in making a phone even better if you already made it as good as possible, possibly if the people wanted it, and most likely needed it, make a version of the phone to sustain falls from heights etc., which would be useful for construction workers. I really don't see the issue in lack of competition after all.

 

[TarzanTheJungler]

technological unemployment and mass automatization is gonna fucking make all your stupid economy bullshit irrelevant in the next century.

Yep.

However, there will still be jobs like robot maintenance officers, overseers and so on. Basically, right now we're at a point like when the guys from the industrial revolution were. They were afraid the factories and new appliances would "Take our jeeebs" though what happened was that we got even more jobs now. Hundred years back people couldn't imagine it in their wildest dreams that we'd have things like "web developers" or "Programmers"

But then again, in the long run when AI WILL become self-teaching then we're fucked, as they will literally make every job obsolete. That's why things like "Universal salaries" will become our salvation.

 

[Gimmie]

People would of course not take photos of how shit their country is, instead they would piss on the Slavs. Trust me, there are countries far worse than basically any slav country and Im sure you got the old buildings in Netherlands too.

Not really. to find rundown buildings over here you need to do a lot more research and looking because we dont have fucking gypsytowns lmao. Besides we don't have as many rundown buildings because our economy has been a lot better since we never adopted communism. And above that, the rundown buildings over here look beautiful because of the old architecture. You'll never find concrete giants here.

And thats not just because we like to piss on slavs because we enjoy doing it, we like to piss on slavs because their countries look like human toilets anyway.

 

[Gimmie]

Yep.

However, there will still be jobs like robot maintenance officers, overseers and so on.

Do you not realize the entire point of automation? The whole point is to eliminate a big PART of the jobs, not all jobs. Over here in the Mentos factory where every single piece of mentos is made almost the entire process is automated. There is only 1 man that cant be replaced by a machine and thats the guy handchecking every few moments if all of the mentos fit in 1 packet and takes out misshapen ones etc. The reset of the jobs would all be in customerservice, administration and transportation. and let me tell you, there are a lot less people on the workfloor now than there would have ever been.

 

[TarzanTheJungler]

Do you not realize the entire point of automation? The whole point is to eliminate a big PART of the jobs, not all jobs. Over here in the Mentos factory where every single piece of mentos is made almost the entire process is automated. There is only 1 man that cant be replaced by a machine and thats the guy handchecking every few moments if all of the mentos fit in 1 packet and takes out misshapen ones etc. The reset of the jobs would all be in customerservice, administration and transportation. and let me tell you, there are a lot less people on the workfloor now than there would have ever been.

Did you purposely read only half of what I wrote while also disregarding the given context?

We were talking about mass unemployment.

"to eliminate a big PART"

would mean just that - Huge Unemployment Problems. Did you ever consider what would happen to countries like China where blue-collar jobs are in the millions if automation was introduced? That 8% unemployment rate would sky-rocket back to their soviet times. Or what about India? Let me tell you that there are still millions upon millions of people who will be affected.

The reset of the jobs would all be in customerservice, administration and transportation.

2/3 of these are already being automated, transportation being the most notable one. Seen the film "Logan"? They have these self-driving lorri trucks that haul materials around the country. Fun fact:This was their tackle at realistically portraying the future. What is more, "Transportation" is an overall bad example, as it's an easy-to-automate job on its own. For Christ's sake, we have self-driving google cars, and self-driving busses are next.
As for administration, or customer service - both of them will end up automated. There is so much a person may want to ask regarding his product. Run a survey, put up a frequently asked questions and answers robot-there's your customer service.

And guess what, there's not enough room to fit those unemployed folk into only 3 categories. Or rather, 1?

(I feel this is a great topic to discuss, thus I invite anyone who wants to chime in to make a new thread so as not the get caught up in socialism)