Trump comes with NRA to Louisville

[swagile]

There is truly no discussion when it comes to gun control or no gun control.

You cannot have either extreme as none of it works and there is no true middle when it comes to having or not having a gun. In the same manner of speaking, as @scrubmcnoob aptly discribed it, it is not guns that kill people (except in accidental discharges) but /people who kill people/. Without guns, people will resort to slingshots, crossbows, and bows and arrows. Without those people will use their hands to rip their enemies skin off and shit down their neck.

Even if you do not agree with this philosophy and love gun control to either a minimum or an extreme, think of it this way. No matter how strong your gun control is, guns will always slip through. Determined human beings can do almost anything even if it is at the risk of their lives and it is doubly so for the mentally ill that use guns for nefarious reasoning. Japan has the strictest gun laws known to the planet with the most success in keeping guns from their country but THEY STILL HAVE GUN PROBLEMS.

If it is not the mentally ill seeking these weaponry it is organized crime that have corrupt officials at the highest level of the government supplying them weapons. You know what the best part about this is? Because of the strict gun control making only the rich and powerful having access to weapons, normal people are helpless before them and are taken advantage of even worse than before.

It is like super villians in super hero comics; because they are the only ones with a special ability they can lord over those without any abilities (the mundane) all they want since the mundane are powerless to resist. The same thing can be said if gun control is extremely strict.

Yet if gun control is not strict, and everyone has a weapon, more mentally ill people have access to such weaponry and cause a ruckus.

Hence the trade off; do you want to be lorded over by people in influential positions being able to gain weapons or by the occasional crazy with a gun shooting up a school?

You choose.

 

[Zak]

it is not guns that kill people (except in accidental discharges) but /people who kill people/.

actually, bullets kill people

 

[LatvianViking]

Also to add, it is important that gun handling and safety is taught from a young age, that way a society of well trained individuals will be raised, minimizing the accidental discharges and so on.

 

[Deleted member 442]

Here's a thought: How about people outside the US be quiet about US gun laws. You don't live here.

You don't realize that most "mass shootings" involve gang members. You don't realize that depending on where you are police response can be 15 minutes or longer if you're out in the boonies or in a rural area that doesn't even have a police force but relies on a county sheriff. You don't realize that people are killed on the US/Mexico border just for being there. Literally just for existing near the border you will be killed by cartel runners, it's gotten so bad that militiamen have been doing patrols and providing protection when the border patrol is unable to. You don't realize that despite our proliferation of firearms, firearm crime in the US has been steadily dropping. You don't realize that in the US you cannot legally ban guns, the right to own them and use them is embedded in our constitution and is near impossible to overturn. You don't realize that after a serious storm (think Hurricane Katrina) you could be left for a good period of time without any government assistance, including police. You are on your own, it is up to you and you alone to protect yourself from looters or others who wish to do you harm.

Guns aren't an issue in the United States. The mass shootings outside of gang-member drivebys are statistical anomalies and can be handled through different means besides "HURRR BAN GUNS THE AUSSIES DID IT". There's good ways to implement reasonable gun control that won't infringe on the second amendment, but it's tough to get there as the old saying "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" is all too true when it comes to Congress.

You don't live here. You don't understand how embedded guns are in our culture, this isn't like the middle east where some of the shit we see today is a blip in history, we've had this from the start. YOUR nationals may be able to live without them but we as a country see them just as necessary as food, water, and shelter. Our constitution gives us means to protect ourselves, be it from our fellow citizen, foreign invaders, or our government.

Our citizens can handle gun control for our own people, it's not the concern of Europeans who think they know what they're talking about in regards to a nation that is very much different than their own.