History Thread

[GenericPlayer]

>brutalism is everything that takes cement

Brutalist buildings are characterised by their massive, monolithic and 'blocky' appearance with a rigid geometric style and large-scale use of poured concrete.

hm

 

[Mancom37]

hm

Sure have another angle

Spoiler: Images

Brutalism wasn't even a thing in the early 40s, the guy who designed the Expo was a Revivalist.

 

[Dallas]

Sure have another angle

Spoiler: Images

Brutalism wasn't even a thing in the early 40s, the guy who designed the Expo was a Revivalist.

brualism was really started by Bauhaus (and only really revived following ww2) - which was around from the 1920s, it's easy to dismiss it as garbage but you really should just see some of the stuff they made, it wasn't all shite

 

[Mancom37]

brualism was really started by Bauhaus (and only really revived following ww2) - which was around from the 1920s, it's easy to dismiss it as garbage but you really should just see some of the stuff they made, it wasn't all shite

It is alienaton materialized with a touch of utilitarianism. You need only to look at the Khrushchyovkas to understand where I am coming from.

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

Plus East Germany was just Russia but they spoke German, there was no German culture to be found.

I dunno man as someone who lived in former East Germany for quite sometime and have spent the past few years studying it I'd tell you quite the contrary. East German culture is one of the most fascinating pieces of history for me, and frankly I am kinda insulted with how ignorant you are.

There are hundreds of testaments to a long lasting and ultimately neglected culture in East Germany, from small museums such as the Dokumentationszentrum Alltagskultur der DDR in Eisenhuttenstadt or even the mainstream DDR Museum in Berlin. There are thousands of nuances in 'Ossi' culture, from the music they listened to, to the cars they drove - to even the cigarettes they smoked and the food they ate. And there are millions of people, to whom the GDR meant everything, contrary to it meaning nothing to you. It was far from perfect, but its a world that's now lost forever and only really lives on in memory, and in the culture that remains in Eastern Germany. It seems that the contemporary German government is wanting to push that to the wayside in favour of some faux-Prussian past which is so artificial its kinda sad.

But of course real German culture is just what you can learn from Paradox games and youtube videos sponsered by squarespace™ right?

 

[Tarannus]

I'm a bit of a one-track mind recently, so my apologies if I keep on bringing up nuclear research and science in the Cold War era. Although, I want to focus a little on where scientific collaboration was heading at the tail end of things.

During a summit meeting between Richard Nixon and Leonid Brezhnev in July 1974, the USSR and US established what would become the basis of the Threshold Test Ban Treaty. This treaty, signed at a time when military planners in both nations were concerned about the testing of high-yield "first strike" weapons, designated that neither power could test any nuclear device with a yield exceeding a threshold of 150 kilotons of TNT. While the treaty allowed both sides to continue weapons development, this threshold effectively put a brake on miniaturization efforts for long range cruise missiles.

When the treaty was signed, provisions were included to share technical data - such as geological maps, rock densities, and water table depths. However, neither side could agree on how to directly verify if the treaty was being upheld - a sticking point that would dog both nations for over a decade.

Fast forward to 1987. With renewed engagement from the Soviet Union, scientific specialists and diplomatic representatives of the USSR and USA met in Geneva to discuss the problem of the verification once again. In an unorthodox suggestion, scientists from Arzamas-16 (known today as VNIIEF), Chelyabinsk-70 (VNIITF), Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and Los Alamos National Laboratory agreed to create a series of jointly-designed experiments to solve the issue of remotely evaluating the measurement of weapon yields. To insure that the experiments were conducted to the satisfaction of both sides, Soviet and American scientists received unprecedented access to each other's nuclear test sites - a test program known as the Joint Verification Experiment (JVE).

A few months later...

Official program for the first official Soviet visit to the Nevada Test Site, establishing the basis for the Touchstone Kearsarge test in mid-August 1988.

Staff from the Nevada Test Site raising the Soviet Flag, January 1988

Soviet and US flags fly atop a drill rig at the Nevada Test Site

To: Nevada From: Semipalatinsk

Soviet scientists observe the emplacement of diagnostic equipment for a typical subterranean nuclear test - January 1988.

Soviet and American scientists gather in front of the USSR's experimental trailer at the Nevada Test Site, less than a kilometer from ground zero, August 1988.

“I am certain that the main result of the Joint Verification Experiment was not the development of procedures and extent of nuclear test monitoring of the joint development of technical verification means, but the chance for interpersonal communications with the American nuclear physicists.”

Viktor N. Mikhailov, leader of the Soviet technical delegation to the JVE at the Nevada Test Site, August 17, 1988

Nevada Test Site Mission Control - August 17, 1988

Scientific delegation heads Igor Palenykh (at podium) and C. Paul Robertson at the Kearsarge post-shot press conference. The test proved successful, producing an experimentally verified yield of 140 kilotons. The experiments performed at the Nevada Test Site would be replicated in Semipalantinsk one month later.​

I have a very distinct personal interest in this event. As part of the JVE, each nation sent over equipment and material that - prior to 1987 - had been closely guarded national secrets. One of the most crucial items was the exchange of geologic cores - rock samples extending hundreds of meters below the surface of each test site - each carefully prepared to precise treaty specifications.

Just a few months ago, tucked away in a transportable container, Los Alamos uncovered several pallets of geologic samples - each sealed in wax, wrapped in brown paper, and accompanied with exceptionally detailed geological field notes in Cyrillic. I was asked to identify the source of these samples and provide my assessment on their historical significance. After some sleuthing, it was decisively determined that these samples came directly from the Semipalatinsk Test Site as part of this experiment, and efforts are underway to curate and preserve these artifacts as a lasting legacy of détente and collaboration in the waning days of the Cold War.

 

[Gabby]

I dunno man as someone who lived in former East Germany for quite sometime and have spent the past few years studying it I'd tell you quite the contrary. East German culture is one of the most fascinating pieces of history for me, and frankly I am kinda insulted with how ignorant you are.

There are hundreds of testaments to a long lasting and ultimately neglected culture in East Germany, from small museums such as the Dokumentationszentrum Alltagskultur der DDR in Eisenhuttenstadt or even the mainstream DDR Museum in Berlin. There are thousands of nuances in 'Ossi' culture, from the music they listened to, to the cars they drove - to even the cigarettes they smoked and the food they ate. And there are millions of people, to whom the GDR meant everything, contrary to it meaning nothing to you. It was far from perfect, but its a world that's now lost forever and only really lives on in memory, and in the culture that remains in Eastern Germany. It seems that the contemporary German government is wanting to push that to the wayside in favour of some faux-Prussian past which is so artificial its kinda sad.

But of course real German culture is just what you can learn from Paradox games and youtube videos sponsered by squarespace™ right?

 

[Isuckatgaming]

Imagine unironically shiling for the Prussians and the HRE this hard

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

Prussian history is kinda cool but this level of shilling is really cringe ngl.

 

[Isuckatgaming]

fuck PRUSSIA hate PRUSSIAN fucking FUCK PRUSSIA STUPID PRUSSIA

1864 worst year of my life HATE PRUSSIA

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

fuck PRUSSIA hate PRUSSIAN fucking FUCK PRUSSIA STUPID PRUSSIA

1864 worst year of my life HATE PRUSSIA

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?" - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, 3rd of Sepember 1939

 

[Isuckatgaming]

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?" - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, 3rd of Sepember 1939

Denmark in the 1920s:
''Boy it sure was nice that we avoided World War 1 and got most of Slesvig back, surely nothing can go wrong the next 20 years''

Germany n-words:

 

[Gabby]

Prussian history is kinda cool but this level of shilling is really cringe ngl.

 

[Knight]

 

[Gabby]

 

[mert]

prussian and monarchist larpers are even worse than political larpers

 

[Isuckatgaming]

prussian and monarchist larpers are even worse than political larpers

'ate the hre
'ate the prussians
'ate the emperor

love me king
love me slesvig-holstein
love me kalmar union

simple as

 

[FMDev]

All historical larpers get the bullet.
If I catch any limp-wristed weak-chinned doughboys online typing about "ugh what could have been it was so cool back then SIIIGH" I will shove them into a locker and then shove the locker into the Grand Canyon so hard you'd think they were named Joshua Graham

 

[Deleted member 374]

All historical larpers get the bullet.
If I catch any limp-wristed weak-chinned doughboys online typing about "ugh what could have been it was so cool back then SIIIGH" I will shove them into a locker and then shove the locker into the Grand Canyon so hard you'd think they were named Joshua Graham

bro the nazis COULD have won...

 

[FMDev]

bro the nazis COULD have won...

You are only allowed to use that sentence in thoughtful, intellectual discussion about historic military strategy and the events of the Second World War (and even then you're pushing it buster) or in the hindsight of a HOI match
Any other context and I will shoot you