Star Wars the Last Jedi discussion [Spoilers]
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heres my big long list of stuff in general about the film:
- Snoke's death was just so, so abrupt and his appearance was just so sudden. We saw that he was in fact this little guy and not a giant, we saw he was disfigured, and was also saw that he was just so incredibly powerful with the force but with no explanation. His death was too abrupt and shouldn't have happened.
- It came to a point where you knew the resistance would win EVERY battle, no matter what.
- The whole light/dark balance shit on the island was really confusing and they tried to be way too enigmatic with rey's parents
- casino scene wasted a good 20 minutes of screen time
- didn't really feel like a star wars film, i know it's past the empire and past the republic but come on
- what the HECK happened with leia like how did she end up in space not have her lungs explode and then do some mary poppins shit and end up in the ship again
- why does a dreadnought have a huge exposed point ontop of its chasis that can literally result in the entire ship being destroyed with a 1 kg bomb
- the film felt more like a constant action sequence rather than a developing story
- finn's injuries (literal strike up the spine) were just ignored and not even mentioned
- wasn't enough morose to it or any sort of 'epic' scenes what really made you think gee wiz that was really cool, it was all standard
- not the best star wars film, probably a 6/10
- they changed the lightsaber ignition sound
- luke somehow got a hologram all the way on that island with some unknown technology even though he has no idea where it is
- luke becomes a force ghost even though his physical skills would save the resistance against kylo not his mind
- hux got bitch slapped everywhere he went
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i liked the movie because who the fuck cares about the story it was just comic relief and action set pieces and I liked it being that
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I mean he basically brought balance to the force, we got one Jedi against one Sith now, all these events resulted in him fucking over the emperor and helping Luke escape, not to forget all events before that.
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the four homers and the burning tree are so hilarious! ;D movie was. Comedy gold!i loved these scene!
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She's Anakin's kid too. She's got some connection to the force but unlike Luke has no formal training with it. It's how she sensed all the shit with Han and what have you. It's hinted lightly in the original trilogy but got expanded upon in the EU (and then here).
Not many people remember that though or remember she's even Luke's sister, hence the confusion.
Not many people remember that though or remember she's even Luke's sister, hence the confusion.
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- The scene with Leia dying and coming back to life was total bullshit and provided no explanation. She's never had any force training and not even famous Jedi masters have ever done anything close to that.
- Half of the characters felt like they weren't even needed, they should've replaced the Asian girl with Poe and had both him and Finn go to the rich planet together.
- None of the characters felt realistic, especially the First Order commander who felt like a GI Joe villain when it got to the point where his pain and body being thrown around was being used as a comedic effect.
- Pacing was awful, way too much cutsie action trying to be shoved into serious scenes with high tension.
- It felt like the entire movie was dumbed down and the original writing had something much more complex in mind for the plot, however they made it easier for a wider audience to enjoy
- Finn should've died in his attempt at sacrificing himself into the big canon, I completely lost any emotional investment in him when they saved his life, he should've had the heroic death.
- I loved the scene with Luke vs. Kylo Ren right up until I realized he was just projecting himself and all tension just fell apart
- That scene with the royal guards was complete bullshit as well. Royal guards are some of the most powerful individuals you can face in the Star Wars universe without them being force users, and they wrote them off as total push overs for half of the fight. Not saying Rey and Kylo wouldn't have won, but the fact they killed ALL of them without any retreat or injuries felt so fake.
- They provided NO explanation to who Snoke was which really pissed me off considering there were tons of fan theories surrounding his origin and they just kill him off without any backstory.
- They act like they just destroyed the entire First Order when the intro credits established that it was a huge faction by this point. The rebels really only took out a single fleet.
- Yoda, while cool was just there for the cameo
The last real peace of good Star Wars media we've had was Star Wars the Clone Wars. I like to consider myself as someone who is very knowledgeable on Star Wars lore and expanded universe, and I can say that this movie was trying too hard to be a Disney film instead of a Star Wars film.
At most I can give it an "ok" and a 5/10, not good. The story premise for it was so good and it could've been so much more
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Not going to discuss the whole movie but the civil war side (fuck that pussy ass religion shit) with the escaping shit slowly running out of fuel was one hell of a great premise and I really wished they'd have expanded upon that instead of abandoning the ship 3/4 through the film, hell, a battlefront II style space battle would have been amazing.
Also why the fuckidy fuck did the admiral woman say "god speed" - The writers do fucking know that the main religion of the galaxy was that of the Jedi and folk religion of the outer-rim (before it was outlawed following the rise of the empire). The fuck is a god in star wars?
Also why the fuckidy fuck did the admiral woman say "god speed" - The writers do fucking know that the main religion of the galaxy was that of the Jedi and folk religion of the outer-rim (before it was outlawed following the rise of the empire). The fuck is a god in star wars?
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That makes you one of few. As a die hard Star Wars fan and lore person I hated it, I'd suggest looking at some of the bullet points listed in this
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As a guy who really doesn't care about the lore of Star Wars, the film was surprisingly good. The death of skywalker or the sudden death of snoke didn't' ruin it for me at all, it just made Kylo Ren the main villain which i liked..The cinematography and effects we're fucking top notch and the lightspeed suicide scene was fucking amazing
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The ending scene with Luke vs Kylo Ren could've been so much better. Luke is the most powerful force user to exist in Star Wars canon, Luke should've actually gone to the planet and did what Kylo Ren did in the Force Awakens with the blaster bolt, but with the AT AT canons. It would've been so much better if Luke used the force to freeze all the canon bolts, then launch those back into the AT ATs, then Kylo Ren comes down for a final duel. The fight they did have between them wasn't even anything special, Luke dodged him a few times and that was it. There was nothing epic or amazing about it, which is what was needed for the climax of the movie.
Alot of the flaws with the movie don't even involve poor lore accuracy, it's just poor writing that could be applied to any movie, in the first movie, the First Order commander was basically space Hitler and all scenes with him made him feel scary, intimidating, and meaningful, see this:
His role in the Force Awakens was fantastic and I loved his setup as a Lieutenant to Snoke. But in The Last Jedi, like I said in my previous post, they make him feel like GI Joe villain right from the start with the first scene involving him where Poe prank calls him and Snoke force slamming him to the ground ruins the tension. This is just one of many problems I have with the characters.
It didn't even feel like the writer of the Last Jedi even watched the force awakens
Alot of the flaws with the movie don't even involve poor lore accuracy, it's just poor writing that could be applied to any movie, in the first movie, the First Order commander was basically space Hitler and all scenes with him made him feel scary, intimidating, and meaningful, see this:
His role in the Force Awakens was fantastic and I loved his setup as a Lieutenant to Snoke. But in The Last Jedi, like I said in my previous post, they make him feel like GI Joe villain right from the start with the first scene involving him where Poe prank calls him and Snoke force slamming him to the ground ruins the tension. This is just one of many problems I have with the characters.
It didn't even feel like the writer of the Last Jedi even watched the force awakens
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- He is confirmed to be 7 feet tall, so I don't think he is a little guy. But we did know that he is shown to be many times bigger in his hologram, this was already told to us. He was more disfigured in his hologram the first time than in person, which is why many theories suggest he either regenerates or he actually did a force illusion like Luke did. He is extremely powerful in the force with no explanation yet. I think that they are going to bring Snoke back in some way, and my personal theory is the force illusion and that he wanted Kylo to kill him, with hints through dialogue but that's a whole other thing. I do agree that they should not have killed him.
- I would agree, they should have made it less linear.
- I don't think they have revealed who Rey's parents really are, rather who Kylo thinks he saw. But I would agree that the balance stuff on the island is a little weird.
- Star Wars reply to someone who said this was "Personal growth is inherent to every Star Wars story. Without the detour to Canto Bight, Finn wouldn't have grown past only caring about himself and his immediate circle of friends. And Rose wouldn't have discovered her own ability to be the type of hero she idolized." While I agree that the way they executed it was not the best, the idea was good.
- I mean, it had lightsabers (but seriously, they wanted something different)
- We have been told multiple times in the past that Leia is a strong force user, equivelant to Luke. EXCEPT that she is never trained. Saving your life is instinctual, she called on the force in a time of need when she would have died and used force pull (which in space with no weight would have needed a very little amount of force) to pull her back to the ship to show that after 40 years of them saying that she is a force sensitive person, that she can actually use it (and who knows maybe she practices in her spare time).
- No idea.
- I think it was a good, farely developed story but it did feel very action based.
- Yep.
- I thought some scenes were epic, Haldo crashing into the First Order ship, the ship exploding and all the leadership practically dying.
- I'd give it around the same, maybe a 7
- Aw man.
- He is powerful in the force, and he had to call on literally all of his force power leading to him being drained. He did this to die. He did this to become one with the force because once you are one with the force he could become stronger. He was cut off from the force, he wasn't as strong as he used to be.
- He became a force ghost because of the reasons mentioned above.
- Good, he's a bitch.
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