USSR vs Nazi Germany - which was worse

[tera]

Well not really. Considering the 50 million figure is complete bullshit. I trust the original source because he's taking into account the opposing side of the Germans. Encouraging others to prove him wrong and saying the figures are up for revision, he also states how he came to those conclusions. I trust his figure much more than the 50 million one as the 50 million one is historically un-reasonable as well as has no mathmatical backing, or historical.

I'm not. The soviet archipelligo was opened in 1991 during the collapse. Much of the information we used to come to conclusions about the Soviets was German accounts, which were incredibly bias and down right wrong. The Germans claimed the soviets won through superior numbers and had insufficiant equipment, they won through a lot more than that and had more mosin nagants than they did soldiers, then you have to consider pistols, SVT's PPSH's, tanks, plane's, Maxim guns, flag-bearers, political officers, sailors and so on.

The book I'm referencing was published in 2011. The other one which gave 50 million was published in 1998. I can determine from those dates which one would have had more access to the soviet archipelligo and which one had more properly evaluated it.

ok 20-25 million then, still high number lol.

 

[Postal]

ok 20-25 million then, still high number lol.

"but how much has capitalism killed?"

 

[Husky]

ok 20-25 million then, still high number lol.

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Did.... Did you read what I said?

I mean we have to look between these two sources to determine which one is more reliabe. And I think we can both, as rational people, come to the conclusion that the one which sources the released classified files by the Soviets is more accurate than the one which does not cite how it came to it's conclusions.

 

[tera]

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Did.... Did you read what I said?

I mean we have to look between these two sources to determine which one is more reliabe. And I think we can both, as rational people, come to the conclusion that the one which sources the released classified files by the Soviets is more accurate than the one which does not cite how it came to it's conclusions.

this is literally arguing about the range of data i decided to take from WIKIPEDIA (mind u 9 - 50 million, and theres many numbers to choose between those by looking at the other sources and im sure sensible people would look for different numbers) because im very lazy to take the next link which accurately depicts your 'muh soviet accurate data death toll'. 20 - 25 million deaths going on WHAT YOU POSTED in an argument towards me.

Soviet Union Death Toll
Many historians have suggested that Stalin was responsible for death total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, Gulag camps, deportations and other causes. Simon Sebag Montefiore suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of between 20 and 25 million people)

the point is, its still a damn high number and I wouldnt want to live in USSR for that reason. both nazi germany and ussr are shit.

Im really not gonna bother to reply to ur next argument about this so dont bother replying

 

[afric]

all countries in 1930s and 40s were pretty shit

real shit living in Ireland would be the best option, benevolent neutrality, little to no rationing, only one bombing raid on the capitol, like real shit why would you want to live in 'der master race' istan and ussr just live somewhere normal lol.

comparing the two they were both utter garbage but atleast in the soviet union you kinda had workers rights and if you kept your head down you weren't sent to a camp, unlike der master-raceistan where if you believed that jesus was infact a myth you were summarily executed or left to eat shit


E: or live in the us lol have all the great craic of a war and never be bombed once

 

[Ond]

never be bombed once

japan actually did manage to attack U.S mainland

 

[tera]

all countries in 1930s and 40s were pretty shit

real shit living in Ireland would be the best option, benevolent neutrality, little to no rationing, only one bombing raid on the capitol, like real shit why would you want to live in 'der master race' istan and ussr just live somewhere normal lol.

comparing the two they were both utter garbage but atleast in the soviet union you kinda had workers rights and if you kept your head down you weren't sent to a camp, unlike der master-raceistan where if you believed that jesus was infact a myth you were summarily executed or left to eat shit


E: or live in the us lol have all the great craic of a war and never be bombed once

japan did attack aleutian islands which was part of alaska, USA. They bombed dutch harbor i believe, which was one of the only few sites other than hawaii.

still tho, living in mainland USA is still p good unless social media and society wants u to go to war. ireland as well.

 

[afric]

japan actually did manage to attack U.S mainland

 

[Ond]

god damn chinese cartoons

 

[Goatson]

I'd take the USSR over Nazi Germany any day

I'd rather have smaller parts of every ethnicity be murdered rather than a huge chunk of my own :D

Both were murderous shitholes though

 

[Macho]

Tbh germany would won if they didn't start three fronts

 

[afric]

Tbh germany would won if they didn't start three fronts

german could have one if every other country didn't exsist

sorry, i'll expand

germany was destined for war with everyone they ended up scrapping int he end. Germany couldn't have won against the US as a land invasion would be nigh impossible.

Germany could have never 'won', they were outgunned, outmanned and out manouvered by every country they fought and lost against.

 

[FriendlyMan]

USSR vs Nazi Germany?

 

[Garda De Fier]

Even throughout the entirety of the sovietunion they still didn't kill more than Germany. About 2-3 million died in the gulags. And you'll think 6 million as how many Germany killed, no no no. They also killed gays, handicaps, communists, slavs etc.

Remember when you killed up to 12 million Ukranians by man-made famine? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Remember when you used gas from the great war to gas your own people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov_Rebellion
Remember when you Trotskyites killed all those Anarcho-Syndie soldiers on an island? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion

 

[Elizabeth]

Rather live in Germany than SU. SU was far worse.

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Better pussi
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/new-york-times-op-ed-women-better-sex-socialism/

Holodomor proven to be absolute bullshit and anyone who uses it as evidence is a cuck
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gK5j9NI5NVwKxH9EtUrvuGYSS7KmOmhhoIDkYzd1hKY/edit

Better health care
http://medicalency.com/bolnitsy-v-sssr.htm

Good economy
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405473915000197

Better diet than the U.S.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498133.pdf

Gulags
https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2017/05/08/the-gulag-archipelago-shouldnt-be-taken-seriously/

Some myths
https://gowans.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/seven-myths-about-the-ussr/
http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

The USSR was also not completely dictatorial, there was an elected committe that could shoot down Stalins proposals if they so wished, this happened repeatedly and was not uncommon, many of Stalins proposed changes were shot down by this committee which was elected by the people.

If you're going to link 'backup' to your points, at least use academic references. No wonder you lose every argument you do.

 

[Husky]

Rather live in Germany than SU. SU was far worse.



If you're going to link 'backup' to your points, at least use academic references. No wonder you lose every argument you do.

>Litterely uses credited scientific magazines and the fucking CIA.

 

[uncle kev]

The USSR had 69 years to do their damage, the Nazis had only 12.

It is likely the Nazis would have caused a lot more pain and suffering had they more time to complete their conquests and ‘racial purification’ of Europe


So the Soviets did cause more suffering, but they existed the longest too.

You would not have wanted to live in either nation and if you think you would have then you’re a deluded mongol

 

[Husky]

So the Soviets did cause more suffering, but they existed the longest too.

The soviets did less damage in more time....... . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .... . . . . . .. . .

 

[uncle kev]

The soviets did less damage in more time....... . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .... . . . . . .. . .

Yeah if you go by official Soviet records

As if they’re going to accurately portray how many they've killed

 

[Husky]

Yeah if you go by official Soviet records

As if they’re going to accurately portray how many they've killed

The soviets documented everyone they sent and how long they sent them for and if they died. This is because gulags operated like prisons, not like concentration camps. We also have physical evidence such as the graves and letters of those who died.